Match Up KWTPF Week #12 – Holding a Candle to Our Dreams (1 Viewer)

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The statement of ‘holding a candle’ to something is generally used in reference to comparing one thing against another. Since Sean Payton’s arrival in the Big Easy, it was only natural that Saints fans would immediately start to wonder if the organization made the right choice in selecting the next head coach for the Black & Gold.

At that time it wasn’t likely that Saints fans would have questioned if Payton could ‘hold a candle’ to Jim Haslett, the man he would be replacing, because we expected far more than what Haslett was producing in New Orleans. So for most of us, the question that needed to be answered is whether Sean would be able to ‘hold a candle’ to Coach Jim Mora, Sr. His regime was our gold standard by which the Saints could be judged and considered to be a competitive franchise once again.

But as Sean Payton’s legacy unfolded before our eyes we began to see a side of this team that was far above what we had previously seen (or imagined) during the tenure of any previous coach. Winning playoff games and championships became the new standard for Saints teams. And for better or for worse Payton’s successes became the new expectation in the thinking of Saints fans everywhere. And it is certainly evident here in the thread subjects and discussions on the SSF.

Think about it, we have had threads that discuss whether our current team can ‘hold a candle’ to our SuperBowl team in 2009. Or if today’s offense can match the explosive offense from the 2011 season. We have wondered if we would ever find another running back that could ‘hold a candle’ to Deuce McAllister. And we have questioned if any new wide receiver would ever be able to ‘hold a candle’ to Marques Colston. And of late the talk has been about who can ‘hold a candle’ to Drew Brees whenever his successor is finally revealed. Obviously some questions have been answered and some have not. But in most cases the correct answer is simply a matter of who you ask.

Like it or not, comparing records & stats, players & coaches, and one of our great teams against another of our great teams will always be a ‘hold a candle’ moment that will be debated by fans both young and old. But the biggest comparison will always come between reality and the personal dreams we have for our team. We are generally a happy bunch who simply wants our Saints to be the best… always! Is that too much to ask? :hihi:

Yes, we certainly have big dreams in New Orleans among the Who Dat! Nation, and there is nothing wrong with that. But never forget how big our dreams can be sometimes. It never hurts to keep in mind that if the Saints’ candle is the only one lit at the end of the year in Miami, then the ups & downs of the season doesn’t really matter regarding what we dreamed of along the way. Ours will still be the brightest candle around! :grin:


Lions (3-6-1) at Redskins (1-9) – This is one of those games that we list only because it is an NFC game that may, perhaps in some perpendicular universe, have some bearing on how the Saints’ season will turn out. I’m calling for everyone to pull for the Redskins in this one mainly because I am a Joe Burrow fan. If a Washington victory here can limit the possibility that Joe will be stuck playing at FedEx Field… then that’s a good enough reason for me.

Giants (2-8) at Bears (4-6) – The most difficult thing for Chicago about having picked Mitch Trubisky so high in the draft is that there is no way to get rid of him without admitting how lousy your franchise is at finding good talent. Both of these NFC team are nearly as messed up as the two teams playing above. I say that we should pull for the Giants simply because there's nothing like seeing more burning ahead for Chicago. Goodbye Bears.

Seahawks (8-2) at Eagles (5-5) – Frankly, having only a tiebreaker advantage over the Seahawks at this point does not sprinkle me with comfort or confidence. This is actually one of the key matchups for the Saints this weekend. Seattle is one of those teams that could really mess things up for the Saints down the stretch and few things would please me more this week than for the Saints to get a little more insurance that we won’t have to make another trip to CenturyLink this year. Besides, someone has to make Dallas work a little harder to win the NFC East. So let’s pull for Philly to get their season back in gear, while giving the Saints some room to breath.

Buccaneers (3-7) at Falcons (3-7) – When thinking about this game one has only to consider two things. One is, ‘How legitimate were the back-to-back victories by the Falcons these last two weeks?’ The other is, ‘How would a third win in a row this week affect the Thursday Night matchup the Saints have with them in Week 13?’ I feel like the Falcons are playing with house money right now and that any momentum they build up now is only going to help them to put their best foot forward in the future. On paper Atlanta is a much better team than the Bucs which is another big reason I’d rather see the Falcons lose. If you need another good reason to pull for Tampa Bay, just keep in mind that they’re playing the FALCONS! Go Bucs!

Cowboys (6-4) at Patriots (9-1) –
Even if you are a card carrying Patriots hater, it’s still okay for you to pull for New England in this game. As far as our Saints are concerned, a 6-5 NFC team is far better than a 9-2 AFC team in regard to the playoff standings. The NFC East crown is going either to Philly or Dallas, it’s that simple. So they may as well keep it close and duke it out all the way to the final whistle of the regular season. Besides, I’m always a bit happier whenever the Cowboys are forced to realize that what happened in the last millennium doesn’t make them who they think they are today. Pull for the Pats!

Packers (8-2) at 49ers (9-1) – After the Saints game earlier in the day, don’t forget to pull a chair up to your TV set to watch this game-of-the-week on Sunday Night! We should learn a lot of important things regarding who may be our biggest challenger for the NFC crown. As hard as it might be for us to do, it really will be to the Saints’ advantage if we all pull hawd for the 49ers to get the best of the Packers in this one. A San Fran win will not only give us a better chance of avoiding a trip to the Frozen Tundra in January, but it will immediately give us control of our own destiny if we beat the Panthers earlier in the day. Rather than cheer for the 'Niners, we may find it a bit easier to pull for the Green Bay Rodgers to LOSE. But no matter how you call it, let’s just hope that by the end of the day, the future is in our hands once again!

Ravens (8-2) at Rams (6-4) – This Monday Night matchup is really going to show everyone what the Rams are really made of. Right now the Ravens are arguably the hottest team in the league and they are likely going to continue to expose the Rams as being the biggest frauds in the NFL. But that can only be established if Baltimore hands them another crushing defeat this year and makes L.A. a no-show in the NFC West…. and the postseason. Not that I should have to tell anyone this but, Geaux Ravens!

Panthers (5-5) at Saints (8-2) –
Carolina has done one of the best ‘rollercoaster impersonations’ of any other team in the league this year. When they’ve been ‘up’, they have actually turned some heads. When they’ve been ‘down’, even the Vegas bookmakers quit on them. The Saints are up against another division rival this week, and it's one that has rarely had a lopsided loss to the Saints. Yet the spread has been in the 9 - 10 point range all this week. The Panthers currently own the all-time series against the Saints 25-24, and I seriously want to see that record evened up this Sunday. Depending on the Sunday Night game this week, this could truly be a statement game and a major turning point for our season. Yes, it has to begin here!

P.S. – This post is dedicated to Joshua, aka “Humperdoo”. Please keep him in your thoughts folks. :9:
 
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I think a Packers Win and a San Fran loss would benefit us way more. especially if we are all sitting at 9-2.

SF remaining schedule
Ravens, Saints, Falcons, Rams, Seahawks.

Green Bay remaining schedule,
Giants, Skins, Bears, Vikings, Lions.

After looking at their remaining schedules SF has a much more difficult schedule, while Roger's pack is facing a toothless bears team, a pair of NFC east (tanking for draft picks) teams. The Lions managed to play them close only losing by 1pt in Green Bay earlier in the year, and the Vikes team that can be dangerous depending on what Cousins show up.
 
I think a Packers Win and a San Fran loss would benefit us way more. especially if we are all sitting at 9-2.

SF remaining schedule
Ravens, Saints, Falcons, Rams, Seahawks.

Green Bay remaining schedule,
Giants, Skins, Bears, Vikings, Lions.

After looking at their remaining schedules SF has a much more difficult schedule, while Roger's pack is facing a toothless bears team, a pair of NFC east (tanking for draft picks) teams. The Lions managed to play them close only losing by 1pt in Green Bay earlier in the year, and the Vikes team that can be dangerous depending on what Cousins show up.
The 49ers do have a far more difficult schedule, which is a good reason for pulling for the Niners against the Pack in this one.
 
Exactly. :9: Besides our own game with the Panthers, this Packers/Niners game is the most important... for several reasons.
For more details on what a Niners win would do for us, check this link: http://www.playoffstatus.com/nfl/saintsmig.html
However, for the Packers, a win here would be monumental. A loss here for GB could eventually mean the difference between a #1 seed and potentially a #6 seed. That's because, if the Packers lose, they could also lose the division, because Minnesota is on their heels, and those two teams play in Week 16 (at Minnesota).

Then again, Seattle is directly on the Niners heels, and those two teams meet again in Week 17 (in Seattle).

What it amounts to is both teams basically have to win this game.
 
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However, for the Packers, a win here would be monumental. A loss here for GB could eventually mean the difference between a #1 seed and potentially a #6 seed. That's because, if the Packers lose, they could also lose the division, because Minnesota is on their heels, and those two teams play in Week 17 (at Minnesota).

Then again, Seattle is directly on the Niners heels, and those two teams meet again in Week 17 (in Seattle).

What it amounts to is both teams basically have to win this game.
Indeed. This is why things like Seeding and even making the playoffs is far from a done deal for a lot of top teams.
Winning this week is very critical for a lot of teams... our Saints included! :shocked:
 
Oh, thinking about that Packers-Whiners game gives me the cold sweats.
Well, the options are pretty simple. If the Packers win, they have their foot in the door to take the #1 Seed. Without having Green Bay on our schedule, there would be nothing we could do to knock them back even if we won out.
OTOH, if the 49ers win, even though they will be one game up on us, the Saints will control their own destiny because we have the opportunity to beat them in the Superdome in a few weeks and own the head-to-head tiebreaker over them. So it would be far better for the Packers to get a loss now since the only team left on their schedule that is in their league right now is the Vikings. I really don't want to have to rely on Kirk Cousins to help us get by Green Bay.

If this still isn't enough to tackle that anxiety of yours, I can recommend a good antiperspirant. :ezbill:
 
Gonna be a gun slate of games this week. Solid game in evert time slot this week. Saints at noon, Pats vs Cowboys 4 pm, Packers vs 9ers 8 pm and Rams vs Ravens on Monday night. Heck, even the Seahawks vs Eagles should be a good game.

Excellent as usual Bill! :9:
 
Thanks man! You almost made me cry. :hihi:
 
Well, the options are pretty simple. If the Packers win, they have their foot in the door to take the #1 Seed. Without having Green Bay on our schedule, there would be nothing we could do to knock them back even if we won out.
OTOH, if the 49ers win, even though they will be one game up on us, the Saints will control their own destiny because we have the opportunity to beat them in the Superdome in a few weeks and own the head-to-head tiebreaker over them. So it would be far better for the Packers to get a loss now since the only team left on their schedule that is in their league right now is the Vikings. I really don't want to have to rely on Kirk Cousins to help us get by Green Bay.

If this still isn't enough to tackle that anxiety of yours, I can recommend a good antiperspirant. :ezbill:
I hate the 49ers, and I hate that everything you said is right. grumble grumble...
 
Bill, I am delayed in thanking you for an excellent post once again this week. The ONE huge game IMO is the Pack and niners and I have really gone back and forth on what would be best, assuming we take care of our own business Sunday. I have concluded that for me having the niners win is best for our Saints as we don't have any tie breakers with the Pack that could help us with the #1 seed in the NFC. I also would very much like to see the Seahawks go down in Philly as that, too, would give us some separation. Should be an interesting weekend and I just hope that first and foremost the Saints break the backs of the Panthers and put insurmountable distance between us and them for the Division title.
 
Bill, I am delayed in thanking you for an excellent post once again this week. The ONE huge game IMO is the Pack and niners and I have really gone back and forth on what would be best, assuming we take care of our own business Sunday. I have concluded that for me having the niners win is best for our Saints as we don't have any tie breakers with the Pack that could help us with the #1 seed in the NFC. I also would very much like to see the Seahawks go down in Philly as that, too, would give us some separation. Should be an interesting weekend and I just hope that first and foremost the Saints break the backs of the Panthers and put insurmountable distance between us and them for the Division title.
Joe, you really don't have to guess about the the best scenario for the Saints this Sunday.
It is all spelled out in the link above in Post #5. Getting back in control of our own destiny is really the best thing for us.
Of course some things can change depending on how we handle our business in the weeks to come. But as it stands right now, we need the Packers to get boxed up!
 

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