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But would you not agree that "pompous" feel has more to do with your interpretation of his abilities and personal drive than his actual behavior off on/off the court?

I mean, dude didnt drink, smoked cigars later in life...dedicated his entire world to basketball/baseball/basketball. Was all in to achieve what very few strive to achieve. And then did it.

Sure, with that greatness comes some traits that some may consider "pompous", but when you look at the man as a whole, you dont see that as the guiding character trait. Its minimal and secondary to the things that stand out.

imo.

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He was a great (the best) and insanely driven player but was absolutely a jerk of the highest order.

I don’t say this as a character slight against Jordan and it doesn’t take anything away from his legendary work ethic. I just thought I’d mention this since the point was raised earlier. Jordan absolutely did drink and smoke cigars during his playing days.

What was terrible was that he publicly bullied and mocked people, sometimes for the pettiest of reasons (like Bill Cartwright, Toni Kukoc, his hall of fame speech, and more) He punched a teammate and cheated on his wife.

He’s the best player we’ve ever seen and there are certainly aspects of his determination and craft that are worthy of respect.

Having said that, there were some really bad aspects of his character and I’m not sure they were “minimal”.
 

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True, but that would have motivated Jordan in the Finals above all else against the Rockets.

Plus living in Houston for 17 years I loved messing with my neighbors who would lose their ever loving minds when I would bring this up, lol.
Probably because it’s like going up to a Saints fan and saying, “Ya know, if the Patriots had kept Richard Seymour and If Teddy Bruschi and Harrison hadn’t retired, the Patriots would have won that one 2010 Superbowl.”
 

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Gav, this is just my opinion, and maybe some others here will agree or disagree with me but people need to understand that those mid-90's Houston Rockets teams were loaded too with All-star and HOF talent. Harlem, Clyde Drexler, Kenny "Jet" Smith, Sam Cassel, Robert Horry and they had persevered and endured a lot of professional and personal shortcomings in years leading up to their back-to-back NBA Titles. Robert Horry even said that one time Micheal Jordan and Phil Jackson told him after a Bulls-rockets game in 1992 where Chicago lost that they both hoped they didn't have to see those guys again. Houston played a very aggressive front-court defense that was somewhat similar to what Detroit used in late 80s in their "Jordan Rules" defense except it involved Olujuwon constantly harassing Pippen and MJ once they both ran in the paint. Over the course of postseason games, that takes a toll on even great offensive players like 90s Bulls. There's a very good chance the 1993-94 Rockets beat MJ-led Bulls in the NBA Titles in 1994, maybe they do it again next year in 1994-95 season.
 

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Gav, this is just my opinion, and maybe some others here will agree or disagree with me but people need to understand that those mid-90's Houston Rockets teams were loaded too with All-star and HOF talent. Harlem, Clyde Drexler, Kenny "Jet" Smith, Sam Cassel, Robert Horry and they had persevered and endured a lot of professional and personal shortcomings in years leading up to their back-to-back NBA Titles. Robert Horry even said that one time Micheal Jordan and Phil Jackson told him after a Bulls-rockets game in 1992 where Chicago lost that they both hoped they didn't have to see those guys again. Houston played a very aggressive front-court defense that was somewhat similar to what Detroit used in late 80s in their "Jordan Rules" defense except it involved Olujuwon constantly harassing Pippen and MJ once they both ran in the paint. Over the course of postseason games, that takes a toll on even great offensive players like 90s Bulls. There's a very good chance the 1993-94 Rockets beat MJ-led Bulls in the NBA Titles in 1994, maybe they do it again next year in 1994-95 season.
Yeah the Rockets were built to play the Bulls. They had a much harder time against teams like the Spurs and Suns. I remember watching Vernon Maxwell and Michael Jordan go at it, that was some epic stuff.
 

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well, suns weren't very defensive, even with barkley, though the suns should have been a serious contender. only a piece or two from domination (as seen after the bulls run).

spurs were talented, though mostly inexperienced, enough to have challenged the bulls. robinson, granted not a popular opinion, was far superior to olajuwon. he did everything efficiently, on a team with zero support.

spurs with robo and duncan, would have been a much tougher opponent until they built their legacy late 90s/2000s.
 

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actually, a purely 90s dominant team,

olajuwon
duncan
pippen (<3 and would make sweet love to)
jordan (without any question)
stockton (without a doubt, the greatest ever)
 

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not sure why this series is so popular.

so far, there has been no new information from being a heavy 90s fan of the nba.

i guess for nostalgia purposes, it is fantastic.

any 90s nba fan should not be surprised by any of the dumbassness of this (doctored) documentary.

i quit watching a few weeks back.
 

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not sure why this series is so popular.

so far, there has been no new information from being a heavy 90s fan of the nba.

i guess for nostalgia purposes, it is fantastic.

any 90s nba fan should not be surprised by any of the dumbassness of this (doctored) documentary.

i quit watching a few weeks back.
I kind of feel the same way. Nothing shocking to me but I think the younger folks are getting a good look at how different the game was back then, which, to me is a good thing....but for me it is definitely more a nostalgic trip....
 

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not sure why this series is so popular.

so far, there has been no new information from being a heavy 90s fan of the nba.

i guess for nostalgia purposes, it is fantastic.

any 90s nba fan should not be surprised by any of the dumbassness of this (doctored) documentary.

i quit watching a few weeks back.
I kind of feel the same way. Nothing shocking to me but I think the younger folks are getting a good look at how different the game was back then, which, to me is a good thing....but for me it is definitely more a nostalgic trip....
You guys probably hate the sound of children's laughter and pictures of puppies. And you probably don't understand why the internet is a big deal.

Lol
 

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You guys probably hate the sound of children's laughter and pictures of puppies. And you probably don't understand why the internet is a big deal.

Lol
Oh contrare....love both....and what internet?

But I do miss the days when the players really didn't like each other (on the court)....basketball was much more intense back then.... IMO of course....
 

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not sure why this series is so popular.

so far, there has been no new information from being a heavy 90s fan of the nba.

i guess for nostalgia purposes, it is fantastic.

any 90s nba fan should not be surprised by any of the dumbassness of this (doctored) documentary.

i quit watching a few weeks back.
My 2 boys grew up in the era of Lebron and Kobe. They never understood why I kept saying that Jordan was the best player I've ever seen. They've watched this series with me and the 20 yro conceded that MJ was better than Lebron and Kobe. So there you go.
 

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I've really enjoyed watching this as well, but as others have mentioned, it would've been that much better if the story-telling was linear. With the back and forth, I forget which event or emotion Jordan had already experienced. I forget what his POV was supposed to be.

I never expected him to be nice. His personality as described in the doc, is exactly what I'd expect of anyone who dabbles in the superhuman. Being liked can take a backseat to winning. You've got the rest of your life to be nice.
 

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