Let’s talk about Jameis (w/ Rev Deuce film study) (1 Viewer)

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I know you're being a facetious fanatic, but Winston didn't destroy the packers. Winston had one spectacular throw, and then the rest were very easy passes, plus he would've had an interception, if the dubious roughing call had not been made. He had 4 TDs that were less than 5 yard throws. Hogan and Juwan didn't have anyone within 5 yards of them on passes inside the 5 yard line, the 1/2 yard shuttle pass to Kamara, and Juwan made a great leaping catch on another TD pass inside the 5 yard line. The spectacular TD throw required arm strength and accuracy, so that's very promising, but it was wide open, since the defense didn't expect us to throw bombs when we were up 31 to 3. The reality is that the defense destroyed the packers, and the offense took advantage of their opportunities. Winston didn't have to do much other than hand the ball off and make easy throws almost all game. Any NFL QB would've had the same result up to the point it was 31 to 3. He was a game manager in this game. Nevertheless, I like what I saw in this game and in the preseason, and my inner fanatic is excited to see the progress he's made, but my rationale side knows it's premature to make any conclusions.
Naw my parade is all sunshine 5 days later. I am confident in a Sean Payton coached Jameis Winston. Also open receivers is not something I have seen in the last 10 years watching Saints football. That has everything to do with AK mismatches and James's ability to send the ball down field. Juwan's leaping catch was exactly where only he could catch it. I expect Jameis to start playing with son confidence going forward as well.
 

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I'd give him a A- type performance. Started with a baseline B by doing a good job managing most of the game, wasn't asked to do too much and push the ball.

He had a few off-target throws, our receivers did a good job reeling them in and making them count. The reversed int was ugly, luckily it didn't count.

He had a couple of nice intermediate throws, on time and on target. A couple of nice touchdown passes. One under pressure, throw it high for the TE. The second was one of his more impressive throws. Step up and find the guy crossing.

He had the perfect dagger deep shot. I'm not huge on deep shots willy nilly, they are risky and low percentage. They need to be timed with the flow of the game and/or be a good read. That was both and on target.

He also had some nice runs, eating the green grass the defense gave him.

So nothing crazy for the most part, but efficient, I'd take that every week.
 

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But, if you equate "Shucking and Jiving" with "A bad guy" or "Someone who is bound to rape, pillage and steal" then sir, I have to direct you back to the early 20th Century, so you can give them back their misinformation.

I dont want to get seriously deep into this, but many guys you probably think are "Good" ...have done worse. They just had lineage, legacy, money and family that can make things go away, without any public knowing about it.

Shucking and Jiving? Not surprised you are trying to make this about race, it's your specialty.

I was complimentary about the way he went around and shook hands of every player on the team. It was a level of professionalism and inclusiveness with each team member that shows good leadership from the most important position in sports for leadership. You've also mentioned dancing in your replies to me about 3 times without me bringing it up once. You keep trying to paint this picture of my replies that aren't based in reality.

As for the his rape and sexual assault charges, it had nothing to do with his actions on the field and everything to do with drugging a girl and raping her then using his status to get protection from the charges. You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't care less about the girl he raped or the uber driver he groped and then blamed it on alcohol. Amazing how one can get on a high horse about one group of people while burying another through gas lighting.

So you think many of the people I think are "good" are only good because of LINEAGE which in your mind justifies Winston's past? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get to deep into that either if I were you.

I'm out. Hopefully Winston continues to take baby steps to becoming a great QB because he has the talent to be great and no QB has ever achieved greatness in week 1.
Brandon.....he has done none of that here though. Nothing at all about past incidents, nor bad behavior. None of it has ever been associated with his time in New Orleans. Just been a great teammate and helpful in the community. No reason for any of that to come up.

Fellows... Let's avoid discussion of Winston's past transgressions on this board, whether actual or not. I am sure that Coach Payton performed his due diligence and saw change and maturation in Winston. We all know how Payton is when it comes to a players character. Besides, it's going into sociopolitical territory, and we don't go there here anymore, remember?
 

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I'd give him a A- type performance. Started with a baseline B by doing a good job managing most of the game, wasn't asked to do too much and push the ball.

He had a few off-target throws, our receivers did a good job reeling them in and making them count. The reversed int was ugly, luckily it didn't count.

He had a couple of nice intermediate throws, on time and on target. A couple of nice touchdown passes. One under pressure, throw it high for the TE. The second was one of his more impressive throws. Step up and find the guy crossing.

He had the perfect dagger deep shot. I'm not huge on deep shots willy nilly, they are risky and low percentage. They need to be timed with the flow of the game and/or be a good read. That was both and on target.

He also had some nice runs, eating the green grass the defense gave him.

So nothing crazy for the most part, but efficient, I'd take that every week.
I'd have to disagree. He only had a couple of off targets all game (mostly short short stuff in the flats). The biggest thing, and I mention this in the video, is when it came to 1. Obvious improvement on throwing mechanics and 2. Improved decision making. Question is do those two things stick (generally mechanical improvements are a product of proper (re)training and muscle memory. Thus, those 'shouldn't' go away even under duress) when games aren't close and he's under more pressure than he was against Green Bay.
 

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Fellows... Let's avoid discussion of Winston's past transgressions on this board, whether actual or not. I am sure that Coach Payton performed his due diligence and saw change and maturation in Winston. We all know how Payton is when it comes to a players character. Besides, it's going into sociopolitical territory, and we don't go there here anymore, remember?
My apologies, it wasn't my intent when first posting on this thread. I still think Winston had a very good game but has a lot to prove over the course of a season or more, that was the only point I wanted to make then it went down hill from there.
 

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My apologies, it wasn't my intent when first posting on this thread. I still think Winston had a very good game but has a lot to prove over the course of a season or more, that was the only point I wanted to make then it went down hill from there.

The same point being made, over and over.....keep it on-field.

Andrus, I been away a bit. Point taken on the sociopolitical, wholeheartedly agree.
 

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I'd have to disagree. He only had a couple of off targets all game (mostly short short stuff in the flats). The biggest thing, and I mention this in the video, is when it came to 1. Obvious improvement on throwing mechanics and 2. Improved decision making. Question is do those two things stick (generally mechanical improvements are a product of proper (re)training and muscle memory. Thus, those 'shouldn't' go away even under duress) when games aren't close and he's under more pressure than he was against Green Bay.
-Johnson wide open TD. He was too wide open for him to have to make a crazy catch like that. Props to Johnson but that needs to be on the numbers.
-Kamara 1st down. We have to feed Kamara the ball efficiently, that could have been a huge play. Props to Kamara.
-Over threw someone in the flat. Dont remember who, just a flat miss.

I saw a few.
 
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-Johnson wide open TD. He was too wide open for him to have to make a crazy catch like that. Props to Johnson but that needs to be on the numbers.
-Kamara 1st down. We have to feed Kamara the ball efficiently, that could have been a huge play. Props to Kamara.
-Over threw someone in the flat. Dont remember who, just a flat miss.

I saw a few.
He said a couple. You named 3 and couldn’t specifically remember the third one.

Are you guys really disagreeing or is this just arguing to argue?
 

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He said a couple. You named 3 and couldn’ t specifically remember the third one.

Are you guys really disagreeing or is this just arguing to argue?
I dont know, he quoted my whole post just to say a couple instead of a few. Seemed strange. So I pointed out a few.
 

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-Johnson wide open TD. He was too wide open for him to have to make a crazy catch like that. Props to Johnson but that needs to be on the numbers.
-Kamara 1st down. We have to feed Kamara the ball efficiently, that could have been a huge play. Props to Kamara.
-Over threw someone in the flat. Dont remember who, just a flat miss.

I saw a few.
Yes, you just listed the passes I did. Short/flats being high. Certainly nothing you can build a case off of to say his performance wasn't great.
 

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Yes, you just listed the passes I did. Short/flats being high. Certainly nothing you can build a case off of to say his performance wasn't great.
The disagreement was a few or a couple. Not how good his game was. A- is a damn good grade in my book.
 

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I am going to post generally about the whole team. They showed us what they can be and that is to totally neutralize a great offense in GB with all of its weaponry and then our offense playing complimentary football and scoring on most possessions. Heck, even Davenport made a few plays and didn't do anything bonehead to earn himself a penalty (drove me nuts last year with the accidental blow to the head). Now they just need to show that they can maintain. I realize we got hit with the injury bug but it appears that most are not serious injuries that will be out more than 3 weeks. I am also curious what we would have looked like with MT13 in that game.
 

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