Let's be real , we will never have a good defense, as long as payton boys are here (1 Viewer)

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We've had good defenses before. 2009 we led the league in turnovers. 2013 we were the only team with a top 5 offense and top 5 defense. We CAN do it. Just not with 7 of our 11 starters injured.
 

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The problem is they don't even need a good defense. They just need a defense that isn't historically bad and is good as something. For instance the Superbowl team's defense wasn't good but they were good at forcing turnovers.

2016: 31st pts 31st Yards

2015: 32nd pts 31st Yards

2014: 28th pts 31st Yards

2013: 4th pts 4th Yards

2012: 31st pts 32nd in Yards

2011: 25th pts 24th Yards

2010: 24th pts 20th Yards

2009: 20th pts 25th Yards
 

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The problem is they don't even need a good defense. They just need a defense that isn't historically bad and is good as something. For instance the Superbowl team's defense wasn't good but they were good at forcing turnovers.

2016: 31st pts 31st Yards

2015: 32nd pts 31st Yards

2014: 28th pts 31st Yards

2013: 4th pts 4th Yards

2012: 31st pts 32nd in Yards

2011: 25th pts 24th Yards

2010: 24th pts 20th Yards

2009: 20th pts 25th Yards
Conclusion: we ought to hire that Ryan fellow. The fatter one with long hair. But only for one year.
 

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We've had good defenses before. 2009 we led the league in turnovers. 2013 he were the only team with a top 5 offense and top 5 defense. We CAN do it. Just not with 7 of our 11 starters injured.
Depends on your definition of what good is. That 2009 defense wasn't all that special in any aspect except one. turnovers. I'd say w/o darren sharper the saints don't go to the sueprbowl. He had 8 ints and 3tds that year. The team as a whole had I think 26 ints. Other than that, it was pretty average.
 

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we have had only one legit DC in the Payton era, Gregg Williams

we went 37-11 during his time (that includes 2 season ending losses in which we did not try to win)

57-58 without a legit DC
 

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All we need is a defense that can get extra possession fo our offense and then most games are a done deal.
 

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2006 team was, I believe, 11th in yards. 2010 team was 4th, 2013 was also 4th. 2009 team was in the 20s but created lots of turnovers. 2011 team was 24th in yards but 13th in points against. We've had just as many years with decent or legitimately good defense as we have with bad ones.
 

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we have had only one legit DC in the Payton era, Gregg Williams

we went 37-11 during his time (that includes 2 season ending losses in which we did not try to win)

57-58 without a legit DC
Wow. That's a shocking record with and without GW.

He is the only coach that challenged SP and that had what appeared to be true autonomy
 

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We've had good defenses before. 2009 we led the league in turnovers. 2013 he were the only team with a top 5 offense and top 5 defense. We CAN do it. Just not with 7 of our 11 starters injured.
true, but look again at the offenses we faced in 2013.

2009 we gave up a ton of yards and points. sharper made us legit
 

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Lol yea it's all Joe Vitts fault our defense ha been bad. This theory on him having never progressed his LBs has been debunked over and over again. Don't feel like going through all the players he has taken and turned into solid LBs here and have gone to play very well elsewhere. The only LBs Vitt has ever been given with real talent has been Martez Wilson and Stephone Anthony. Tez was garbage and Anthony is only in year 2. He did have Anthony lead all rookie LBs in tackles. Not Vitts fault we decided to move Anthony to play a veteran. Try actually listening to what players and coaches think of Vitt instead of what you have thought up in your mind from the recliner. I have played for the best coaches who couldn't take garbage players and make them good while also having played for terrible coaches who had talented players become great under them. Of course coaches make a big difference but at this level they help guide the talent reach their peak not just take Mauti and turn him into Kuechly. Our defensive problems are do to a lack of talent also for with injuries taking away the little talent we did have.
 

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Our talent on defense has been a joke. Cant put all the blame on the coach. Players still have to execute. But in the same sense coaches are there to put those players in the best position to succeed.

My opinion, Saints need to clean house for both coaches and players. we have a couple guys on defense that have potential. But its scarce. Keep Breaux, Jordan, Rankins, Robertson, (Crawley,Harris- young still learning). Other than that none of the other guys have impressed.
 

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