Let's just put an end to this Taysom Hill nonsense right now (1 Viewer)

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Red meat for the Taysom isn't a QB contingent (aka Teddy is a QB contingent)

"You typically need more than a handful plays to form an opinion on a quarterback, but I don’t know if that’s even true for Hill. He just doesn’t look like an NFL-caliber passer. He plays with no sense of timing or rhythm. "


The author is an ardent Teddy booster so you may want to shake a little salt of this .
 

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The deal depends on what we agree constitutes as success.

How about top 15 in passing yards, which this year would be at least 3700 yards (rounding off). And a passer rating of at least 90, which is very close to the 15th spot as well.

Kyler Murray put up 3722 yards as a rookie and finished at the 15th spot in passing yards. His passer rating ranked 21st at 87.4.
Sounds reasonable.
 
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It was a clean pocket but look at the video below your comment. He had to step to his left just slightly. That threw off his timing and took a little off the ball.

I didn't realized Ram was the OL. I thought it was a guard. lol

EDIT: Hill's arm could also not be strong enough. I'm trying to to give him the benefit of the doubt.
8th longest ball out of 16,000 (aprox) thrown this season. 9 yards further than any completion Teddy has ever thrown. In fact Teddy has only thrown two completions that traveled more than 40 yards in his entire career. Three of Taysom's 7 NFL completions went as far or further that any pass Teddy has thrown and you can include Kamara's TD catch that was called back on a penalty.
 
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The deal depends on what we agree constitutes as success.

How about top 15 in passing yards, which this year would be at least 3700 yards (rounding off). And a passer rating of at least 90, which is very close to the 15th spot as well.

Kyler Murray put up 3722 yards as a rookie and finished at the 15th spot in passing yards. His passer rating ranked 21st at 87.4.
How does you calculus factor in yards rushing and rushing TDs? If his legs add 7 TDs and 700 yards for instance.
 

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8th longest ball out of 16,000 (aprox) thrown this season. 9 yards further than any completion Teddy has ever thrown. In fact Teddy has only thrown two completions that traveled more than 40 yards in his entire career. Three of Taysom's 7 NFL completions went as far or further that any pass Teddy has thrown and you can include Kamara's TD catch that was called back on a penalty.
Ryan Leaf had a much stronger arm than Peyton Manning. Yes, Taysom may have a stronger arm than Teddy but that's a very limited way to evaluate a QB. Neither our beloved Drew or or Brady are known for rocket arms.
 

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I calculated that there were around 16,000 psses thrown in the NFL this season. His was the 8th longest through the air.

You have an interesting definition of "severely underthrown ball",
Where did you see this?

Not doubting you, I'm genuinely curious bc I enjoy stuff like this.
 
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Ryan Leaf had a much stronger arm than Peyton Manning. Yes, Taysom may have a stronger arm than Teddy but that's a very limited way to evaluate a QB. Neither our beloved Drew or or Brady are known for rocket arms.
Look I'm just responding to the silly claims he under threw Harris. Go watch the longest throws this year and you see that the majority are caught punt style with the receiver waiting or even running back to the ball. On very long passes the flight time required usually allows the defenders and the reciever to be at the point of reception. The play worked the ball was placed where the reciever could catch it and the defenders could not stop it or intercept. At the instant he threw the ball there were two defenders converging from opposite sides of the field with Harris between them. 7 completions and 3 were deep bombs. And somehow his detractors spin that into bad QB, inaccurate QB. Ok but maybe your standards need a reality check.
 
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Where did you see this?

Not doubting you, I'm genuinely curious bc I enjoy stuff like this.
LCAD is longest completed air distance. Taysom is not listed because I think they impose a minimum, pass attempt number to qualify for listing. Taysom's throw was 58 yards as I recall. The list is sorted by LCAD.

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LCAD is longest completed air distance. Taysom is not listed because I think they impose a minimum, pass attempt number to qualify for listing. Taysom's throw was 58 yards as I recall. The list is sorted by LCAD.

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That's really interesting. Thank you.

Also, the two right at the bottom:

Bridgewater: 45.4
Brees: 42.8
 

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Look I'm just responding to the silly claims he under threw Harris. Go watch the longest throws this year and you see that the majority are caught punt style with the receiver waiting or even running back to the ball. On very long passes the flight time required usually allows the defenders and the reciever to be at the point of reception. The play worked the ball was placed where the reciever could catch it and the defenders could not stop it or intercept. At the instant he threw the ball there were two defenders converging from opposite sides of the field with Harris between them. 7 completions and 3 were deep bombs. And somehow his detractors spin that into bad QB, inaccurate QB. Ok but maybe your standards need a reality check.
He did un-throw Harris but that wasn't a arm strength issue in my view. Sometimes the throw is a little late. I don't knock him for that, it happens to most QBs. Mahommes undrew Hill on one throw in the SB. Ideally you want to hit the receiver in stride and Harris had to slow up.
 
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That's really interesting. Thank you.

Also, the two right at the bottom:

Bridgewater: 45.4
Brees: 42.8
My only point is that completions thrown that far don't happen very often and complaints about his throw are really nit picking . If he had thrown it the 5 yards further they all say he should have it would have been the longest ball thrown this year.
 
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He did un-throw Harris but that wasn't a arm strength issue in my view. Sometimes the throw is a little late. I don't knock him for that, it happens to most QBs. Mahommes undrew Hill on one throw in the SB. Ideally you want to hit the receiver in stride and Harris had to slow up.
Yes but when the ball was thrown the play is still developing. He had to predict where the reciever and defenders would end up. A longer ball by one too many yards is an incompletion at best. Seriously he has thrown 3 bombs that were caught in only 6 completions. That is not chump change.
 

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Yes but when the ball was thrown the play is still developing. He had to predict where the reciever and defenders would end up. A longer ball by one too many yards is an incompletion at best. Seriously he has thrown 3 bombs that were caught in only 6 completions. That is not chump change.
It's cool, I get your point.
 

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The market seems limited to free-agent QB's this year because so much excitement from what's available in the draft. How many teams want to have a different QB next year and won't be drafting in the first 10 position? Maybe five to seven? I think the Saints would be wise to lock up Hill at maybe a 10M/year rate for two years AND draft a QB this year or next. If he does well, pay him the 35M/year for three to five years after that. If not, not much lost and he can go back to blocking and faking punts.
 

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LCAD is longest completed air distance. Taysom is not listed because I think they impose a minimum, pass attempt number to qualify for listing. Taysom's throw was 58 yards as I recall. The list is sorted by LCAD.

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Just FYI (for the sake of complete accuracy), Taysom's pass to Harris traveled 54.7 yards.

Which is still good considering he doesn't have the same level of experience as the guys on this list. For comparison, it would have been just 0.2 yards shy of Aaron Rodgers' longest pass of the year.

 

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