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I had the misfortune of taking Pit -3.5 and watching them blow a two TD lead with 5 minutes left so I got a good look at the Browns. I streamed the game while having the Saints on TV.

Here's what I noticed.

1) Turnovers killed Pittsburgh. Not just a few but 6 (SIX) turnovers. Had Big Ben simply taken a few sacks instead of committing some pretty avoidable fumbles and bad INTs, they'd of won that game easily. He looked like a guy headed for retirement. Despite that, the Steelers STILL had a 2 TD lead late in the 4th before blowing it with yet another Roethlisberger fumble. He was running around outside the pocket when it happened.

2) Tyrod Taylor is not good. I know everyone is sure he's going to go for 400/4TDs on Sunday, but I wouldn't count on it. The rain hurt him, no doubt, but he's still the same guy he's always been. Extremely inaccurate down field. He was 15/40 overall. I simply do not expect him to do what Fitz did with the deep ball yesterday. They are totally different players.

3) Taylor can still run. He had 77 yards and that'll be his biggest threat.

4) Landry was Taylor's go to but the rest of the WRs were non-existent. Landry is an excellent intermediate WR but is not a big deep threat. It's at least possible that Lattimore can rebound and play well against a WR of his style.

5) The Brown's DL looked ok but Ben held onto the ball way too long most of the time.

6) The Browns were awful against the run. Especially on the outside. Kamara has every chance to have a field day.

7) The Browns CBs were beaten consistently but made plays on really badly thrown balls by Ben. Shuster got 113 in the rain and Brown got 93. And it's not like the Steelers couldn't run. As I pointed out, the Browns were awful against the run and Conner had 135 yards rushing.

8) The Browns, outside of Taylor scrambling, were really bad rushing the football. Honestly, their entire offense looked bad and it's the turnovers that saved them. It took six of those for them to pull out a tie.

9) The Browns were at home for this game.

10) It's worth nothing that the Browns nearly beat the Steelers last year in week 1.

11) The Browns acted like they'd just won the Superbowl after getting that tie. Guys were jumping up and down and celebrating on the field after the final stop on Pittsburgh. They expended a lot of emotional and physical energy in that game.

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What's all this mean? No one can really say with certainty. This is the NFL. Weeks 1 and 2 are notorious in the gambling world for being volatile for a reason. The Browns could come in and beat us on Sunday.

I can respect anyone who says that yesterday's game has you down and that you aren't sure who'll win. At the same time, some of the hot takes of the Browns destroying us are a bit much. They are a team full of issues that we can exploit. The old addage of avoiding turnovers will be key in this game. It'll be a totally different kind of game compared to the Bucs IMO.

Even a marginal improvement on defense against a better offensive matchup should produce good results. Or we may turn it over 5 times and lose. That's the NFL but the Saints are still more than capable of winning on Sunday. I think this team has earned the right to at least get through week 3 before pronouncing them dead. It's disappointing to see some of the reactions.
 
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A defense that made a career backup QB have the best game of his career is a much better chance than a defense that got 4 interceptions off Matthew Stafford this past week.

I don't want to lose to the Browns but I won't be surprised if it does happen. We've seen this before in 2012, 2014, 2015 and 2016. If the defense is as bad as it was vs Tampa, nothing will surprise me.
I just feel like we did all this last year. At least let the season play out a few weeks before going down this road.
 

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It seems to me, ever since our Super Bowl year whenever we play rookie or backup QBs they have CAREER games against us.

Yesterday Tampa scored on EVERY possession except, the one punt, the missed FG, and victory formation. They even scored on one of our possessions.

The thing is, being a Saints fan this wasn't surprising. I felt our runningback was gonna fumble before he did because that's how we are at times. I KNEW MT was gonna fumble because he was carrying the ball like a loaf of bread AWAY from his body fighting for more yards and that's how we are at times.

Until our defense shows up, I saw nothing to make believe we could stop a Tim Tebow lead offense. If it's 3rd down, they will either convert it by running it, completing a pass to a wide open receiver OR we will be penalized for defensive holding, PI, illegal use of hands to the face, or roughing the passer.

We were at home, all of the costly penalties were against us. It seems like every penalty gave them 1st downs and none gave us 1sts. It felt very lopsided. And YET we lost by only 1 score. But we've seen this movie fitty-elebm times. Our offense has to be PERFECT in order to win, with this porous defense.

Fitz could wear his same uniform next week as this week because it's cleaner than a pack of unopened fresh t-shirts. He had the cleanest pocket I have EVER seen. It was like they were running 7-on-7 drills and he was wearing a red shirt.

The defense was pathetic. And until I see otherwise I will have zero expectation that they will be any different.

I was watching other defenses yesterday like a man who has a flat chested no shape having girlfriend with a horrible attitude and doesn't cook or clean and prudish about sex would watch someone with a beautiful voluptuous girlfriend with a wonderful attitude who cooks and cleans and loves fulfilling her man's sexual fantasies.

Until things change, my expectations are zero for this defense.
Great post. However it’s been happening since way before our super bowl win. (Your first point)
 

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And I stand by it. Out of all the issues, our ability to block an edge rusher over the LT is the least of my concerns.

Not because I'm forgetting about him but because I think we can do it.
I mean who was the last single pass rusher who tore us up? JJ Watt?
 

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I have to disagree with your posts. I have watched almost every browns game for the past 5 years and can tell you that the browns have been really bad for the past 4 years but laat year you could see a marked improvement in their overall performance. They just had a really bad qb that couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. His name is deshaun kizer and if you are not familiar with him but watched the green bay chicago game last night he was the hot garbage that came in as rodgers replacement qb. Tyrod is a much better qb than kizer is, and i think just because you watched a game that was played in a monsoon yesterday with winds gusting to 40 mph is an accurate definition of how good or bad the Browns truly are is an inaccurate assumption. We are going to get a completly different team this Sunday in the dome where the weather and field is not a factor. I also disagree with your statement that our ol is excellent. I saw drew having to consistently scramble in the pocket to buy time for the recievers to get open. I think the browns defensive line is going to cause us some serious headaches Sunday. In addition to that I am worried with how poorly our entire defense played yesterday if thats the same defense that shows up this Sunday. Then Tyrod is going to have similar success that fitzpatrick had. I hope we get our defense turned around because even though the browns tied the steelers yesterday that was a moral victory for them and gave the whole team a little bit of confidence and swagger and that can make a team very dangerous ala the Saints defense last year
Plus Garrett. And GW. I hope Drew is ready for that. I hope our tackles are ready for that.
 

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Plus Garrett. And GW. I hope Drew is ready for that. I hope our tackles are ready for that.
Armstead has a knee and Peat has an ankle...

Thought Peat had a quad?

Oh well... our OL has pretty much held up against everybody with whoever we've had to line up. It gets the benefit of the doubt until it don't.
 

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Yeah, that’s about all I can do. I mean, Lattimore, Jordan, et al, can’t have forgotten how to play, right? I keep telling myself that maybe Dennis Allen was just totally unprepared for Tampa’s new OC (I forget his name) and got his lunch ate. We have to be better than we showed yesterday. We just have to be. But it’s tough to believe right now. Hopefully, your observations about Cleveland come to fruition next week and we (fans and the team) can begging to get some confidence and swagger back. I want some Boonk Gang photos, dammit!
I know you mean playing with fun, enthusiasm and authority when you say "bring back the Book gang photos", so I get it, but it is the last thing I want to see...that is a culture of arrogance, over confidence and breeds lack of preparations (see tampa). I am not saying not to go out and have some fun and enjoy it, but, dag nab it, do your job...go back to the huddle and do it again...they seem like they are more excited to do their celebrations than just doing their job...grrrrr
 

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i still remember that fake punt they did to us smh
They were a big underdog. They played like they had nothing to lose and pulled out all the stops. Add in Fujita knowing our offense and us not changing it up. It was like they were in our huddle, because essentially, they were. I sure hope we're preparing well for this one.
 

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Dont think this will be a trap game - EVERYONE on D will be itching to show last week was a fluke

Rewatched the Browns game, and they really couldnt move the ball on offense, almost at all

1 TD was due to a fumble by Steelers that was run back to the goalline.

1 TD was 2 series after another fumble, they had the ball at the 50yard line, and Taylor made 2 big gain throws.

As mentioned Steelers also threw a few interceptions

I think UNLESS our D has FUNDAMENTALLY regressed, we should be OK on this one. If we can hold opponents to 21 points or less I think our O wins most games, esp at home
 

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1) Turnovers killed Pittsburgh. Not just a few but 6 (SIX) turnovers. Had Big Ben simply taken a few sacks instead of committing some pretty avoidable fumbles and bad INTs, they'd of won that game easily. He looked like a guy headed for retirement. Despite that, the Steelers STILL had a 2 TD lead late in the 4th before blowing it with yet another Roethlisberger fumble.

Or we may turn it over 5 times and lose.
Here is an awesome stat I heard this morning. Since the Browns returned to the NFL, teams with a turnover margin of +5 or better in a game are 132-4-1. The Browns are responsible for 2 of those losses and the tie. So whereas when you play anyone else, you have to be +1 or better to improve your chance of winning to above 50%, when you play the Browns, you only have to be -4 or better to have a better than 50% chance of winning.
 

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I had the misfortune of taking Pit -3.5 and watching them blow a two TD lead with 5 minutes left so I got a good look at the Browns. I streamed the game while having the Saints on TV.

Here's what I noticed.

1) Turnovers killed Pittsburgh. Not just a few but 6 (SIX) turnovers. Had Big Ben simply taken a few sacks instead of committing some pretty avoidable fumbles and bad INTs, they'd of won that game easily. He looked like a guy headed for retirement. Despite that, the Steelers STILL had a 2 TD lead late in the 4th before blowing it with yet another Roethlisberger fumble. He was running around outside the pocket when it happened.

2) Tyrod Taylor is not good. I know everyone is sure he's going to go for 400/4TDs on Sunday, but I wouldn't count on it. The rain hurt him, no doubt, but he's still the same guy he's always been. Extremely inaccurate down field. He was 15/40 overall. I simply do not expect him to do what Fitz did with the deep ball yesterday. They are totally different players.

3) Taylor can still run. He had 77 yards and that'll be his biggest threat.

4) Landry was Taylor's go to but the rest of the WRs were non-existent. Landry is an excellent intermediate WR but is not a big deep threat. It's at least possible that Lattimore can rebound and play well against a WR of his style.

5) The Brown's DL looked ok but Ben held onto the ball way too long most of the time.

6) The Browns were awful against the run. Especially on the outside. Kamara has every chance to have a field day.

7) The Browns CBs were beaten consistently but made plays on really badly thrown balls by Ben. Shuster got 113 in the rain and Brown got 93. And it's not like the Steelers couldn't run. As I pointed out, the Browns were awful against the run and Conner had 135 yards rushing.

8) The Browns, outside of Taylor scrambling, were really bad rushing the football. Honestly, their entire offense looked bad and it's the turnovers that saved them. It took six of those for them to pull out a tie.

9) The Browns were at home for this game.

10) It's worth nothing that the Browns nearly beat the Steelers last year in week 1.

11) The Browns acted like they'd just won the Superbowl after getting that tie. Guys were jumping up and down and celebrating on the field after the final stop on Pittsburgh. They expended a lot of emotional and physical energy in that game.

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What's all this mean? No one can really say with certainty. This is the NFL. Weeks 1 and 2 are notorious in the gambling world for being volatile for a reason. The Browns could come in and beat us on Sunday.

I can respect anyone who says that yesterday's game has you down and that you aren't sure who'll win. At the same time, some of the hot takes of the Browns destroying us are a bit much. They are a team full of issues that we can exploit. The old addage of avoiding turnovers will be key in this game. It'll be a totally different kind of game compared to the Bucs IMO.

Even a marginal improvement on defense against a better offensive matchup should produce good results. Or we may turn it over 5 times and lose. That's the NFL but the Saints are still more than capable of winning on Sunday. I think this team has earned the right to at least get through week 3 before pronouncing them dead. It's disappointing to see some of the reactions.
Hey Browns fan here and thought I would give me two cents on this game as I think the OP got some things right and some things wrong. So I will go through each point and give my take on it.

1. This is more or a less true statement. Although on his last turnover in regulation he was hit rather quickly from Garrett. The Browns forced some of those turnovers some of them were unforced.

2. Tyrod was not good Sunday no doubt about that, but he was under too much pressure and the Browns Oline needs to fix that right away if they have any hopes against the Saints.

3. Yes he can still run, I would rather he pass better

4. I would agree with this assesment in general

5. The Browns got pressure a lot of the time with just 4 guys. There were times Ben held onto the ball too long which can be attributed to one of his sacks, but he also made a couple of plays by doing that. And when the Browns add Avery into the pass rush they are more than OK.

6. Browns sucked against the run for basically the first 3.5 quarters. Then for the rest of the game and over time they held the Pittsburgh run game in check. Browns were solid in the run last year and preseason so not sure if this was anomaly or bad omen. If the Browns play the run like the did last week, Kamara will have a field day.

7. This is incorrect. Schuster got over half his yards on a slant against like our 4th/5th corner. The starting corners played well all game and Ward played most of the game against Antonio Browns in his first ever start and got two picks. Browns TD pass he caught was just a better play against very tight coverage by Ward. The other thing about Ward that I have seen through preseason and week 1 is he is also an excellent tackler for a DB.

8. The offense was putrid, some of that is on Taylor, some of that is on the bad Oline play not giving him any time, some of that is on the backs not picking up the blitzer properly and some of it is on all the new pieces and parts.

9. Correct.

10. Division games always tend to be closer than one would think anyways. So yes it was close last year.

11. There were 3 more possessions after Pitt missed the kick in OT, so yeah they were glad that they missed the FG no more than any other team.


Now I think the Saints will win this game, in fact when the schedule came out I didn't see much reason for the Saints not to win this game, even if the Browns beat Pittsburgh which I thought was possible. But after the debacle against Tampa I believe their chances are better but still a long shot at best. The only shot the Browns have is if Garrett and company can get pressure on Brees, if not then Brees will pick them apart as he would with any team given enough time. I will remind Saints fans though the Browns have won the last 2 meetings and 3 of the last 4 against the Saints.
 
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Hey, I think it's cool that we don't disagree on most of my points. I won't quibble on the couple we do. It beats the Falcons fans who will come here and try to convince you that water isn't wet.

GL Sunday.
 

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we will be getting heavy doses of Connor until we prove we can shut him down
 

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