LOL, Florio (Brees arm strength) (2 Viewers)

[RaisingTheBar]

The guys complaining about the arm strength are so right. I think we should look to pick up Jamarcus instead, I bet he can still sling it.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

The most important thing during that play was to complete the pass on 3rd and 2. He was wide open, make sure you complete the pass. A TD would have been a bonus but if that ball would have been overthrown we'd be in deep sheet.

 

[Domeination]

I will ask what I've asked before. When is the last time anyone ever saw Drew Brees throw a ball over 40 from the LOS in his entire career?

I saw him do it against Chicago in the Dome some years ago. Bomb for TD to Devery Henderson.

 

[Complex Kid]

I am saying I don't understand what people are getting so mad about what Fiorio wrote.

Here is a frangment of the article:

This isn’t a knock on Brees. He’s one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, a member of my own personal top five. But for any of these guys who continue to play after making it halfway to 80, it makes sense to look for any evidence of slippage.

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I don't have any problems with someone questioning if Drew's arm is a strong as ever was, and I think it isn't. But again, that doesn't make Drew a worst quarterback. It makes him different, and I think, better.

I really don't care if anyone gets offended with my opinion. I just don't understand why people get offended with opinions that are different.

Debate always enriches life, and part of the process is dealing with controversial opinion that people should take for what they are: just opinions.

I think it's more the fact that when Tom Brady makes that same play it's "OH MY GWAD TWOM BRADY DEFEATING FATHER TIME YET AGAIN!!!!". And when Brees makes the same play it's "well it should have been a TD and the game should be over".

 

[Doug B]

Skipping over 5 pages to comment:

I'm a believer in the idea that Brees' arm strength is declining. Regardless of workouts, nutrition, programs, etc. ... Father Time catches up to everyone.

And when I saw that throw to Ginn, I was thrilled that the completion was made. I also thought to myself "Ten years ago, Brees hits Ginn in stride and he walks in for six."

However -- in that moment, I didn't notice it was a back-foot throw. In that case, it was a heckuva sling downfield. While it was short, it was placed where Ginn had a much better chance of receiving the ball than the defender did.

 

[insidejob]

Let's see, Drew's stats last night. 32-43 for 370 yards & 2 TDs 74.4% completion percentage with 2 TDs & one Int. Oh my goodness, the man is definitely falling off the cliff. he only completed 74.4% of his passes & had a pick. he only had 5 all of last season & his QBR was only 105.8 Who's available on the waiver wire?

And a couple of those incompletions were spiking the ball to stop the clock too.

 

[UFCSaint]

Man, I’m glad we have brees but his arm definitely isn’t what it used to be. Ginn is constantly having to slow down to make the catch. He’s still a great qb but to me it’s obvious.

Agree. And is it me or is Drew's throwing motion different this year? It's almost like he is twisting his body more to put some torque into it. Something just seems different.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Can you provide video evidence to support your claim? It's not a difficult request.

You do realize how what you are asking is impossible for the average fan to prove (just as it’s impossible to prove that his arm strength hasn’t weakened). We don’t have the technology such as accelerometers and advanced statistics such as max yards carried per pass needed to answer the question.

But Brees is 40 years old. That is statistically past the peak physical capacity of an NFL QB. Maybe he’s that unbelievably rare 0.01% that gets stronger past the age of 40. But if anything, the norm should be used as the null hypothesis.

 

[TheMike62987]

I found this vidoe which may help with this debate




That first one to Eric Parker in 2004 was underthrown too

I don't think anyone can debate this now. In that montage Brees leads the receiver 40+ yds down field like twice. Almost all of them the receiver has to hesitate to catch the ball, or it's a short pass and the receiver breaks free.

 

[FGE413]

Yeah, I think it's possible to have multiple thoughts in your head simultaneously: 1) Brees still had a great 2nd half Monday night and is a top-tier QB, 2) he has a tendency to underthrow deep balls more than he used to, 3) it's probably a little silly for Florio to devote an entire article to one throw, and 4) it's also probably a little silly for some Saints fans to freak out as if he just walked in their house and pooped on the rug.

Man, I’m glad we have brees but his arm definitely isn’t what it used to be. Ginn is constantly having to slow down to make the catch. He’s still a great qb but to me it’s obvious.

 

[AARPSaint]

The guys complaining about the arm strength are so right. I think we should look to pick up Jamarcus instead, I bet he can still sling it.

If you want to pick up Jamarcus Russell, you'd better bring a backhoe.

 

[MJ in Calif]

I thought he had a point too but when I rewatched the clip of the play, Brees was under some pressure and could not step into the throw, hence it was a bit short. But it still got there. My beef is how the game was managed after that play. Why did Payton put his team in a 3rd and 11 with just over a minute and a half remaining and the Texans are out of timeouts? That pitch to Kamara on a 2nd and 5 lost 6 yards, which was a killer. I know, I'm an armchair OC but somehow if they were facing a 3rd and 3 or 2 instead of 11, they pick up that key 1st down and the game is over. Instead, they have to play for a FG and have to give the ball back to the Texans. Oh well.

 

[lapaz]

It is better to underthrow a wide open receiver to assure he catches it, than to try to hit him perfectly in stride and over throw him slightly. In that situation, there was no need to gamble to try to hit him in stride. I too would’ve preferred the lower risk dump off, but Ginn was at least 3 yards open, so it was a relatively low risk, but the risk goes up trying to make a perfect pass. So I think Brees intended to lower the risk by not attempting to hit him in stride.

 

[Saint Spud]

It is better to underthrow a wide open receiver to assure he catches it, than to try to hit him perfectly in stride and over throw him slightly. In that situation, there was no need to gamble to try to hit him in stride. I too would’ve preferred the lower risk dump off, but Ginn was at least 3 yards open, so it was a relatively low risk, but the risk goes up trying to make a perfect pass. So I think Brees intended to lower the risk by not attempting to hit him in stride.

Agree. I also think Brees was more focused on getting the ball out quickly since he’s been a little late on throws to Ginn in the past.

Look, by no means am I saying Drew’s arm strength is the same as it was a decade ago. But this was a poor example of it and the article seems to imply that it’s something that will limit the team’s ceiling going forward. Drew more than makes up for the slight decrease in arm strength by being even more knowledgeable than he was a decade ago.

 

[saint_drago]

Agree. And is it me or is Drew's throwing motion different this year? It's almost like he is twisting his body more to put some torque into it. Something just seems different.

It looked different to me as well.