Major fire at Notre Dame Cathedral (Paris) (1 Viewer)

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Assuming they can get corporate sponsorship to rebuild the cathedral, would ya'll be opposed to renaming it something like the Mercedes-Benz Notre Dame Cathedral?
It is my understanding, that, that is not how the Catholic Church operates.

Notre Dame will be rebuilt with Catholics (& maybe some non Catholics) who have buckets of $$$ to spend & are very willingly to give it to the church.

Whenever I have wondered why the Catholic Church has billions of $$$ in artwork, gold & buildings......I have always been told that, “all of that has been donated.”

It just seems so bizarre to me, when Jesus lived such a humble, simple life.
 

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The rubble that you see at the base of the alter..People are speculating that is part of the steeple that fell in the church..People that have been there could this be true?
Anything is possible, as the base could’ve gone back that way. However, the spire, which was mostly burned out at that time, and consisted of only the lead covering and metal lightning rod fell towards the two towers in front. If you line up the roofline and such, no way could that have been the top part of the spire. Now, if the base fell back towards the back of the church (alter) then I suppose that’s possible as the 725 tons had to go somewhere. My guess is as the roof near the spire was burning first, the roof that ran across the church would’ve been pulled towards the alter and it would’ve been that supporting structure for the base of the spire, the peak of the meeting rooflines and such falling backwards towards the alter would be more likely. Or if it was some of the scaffolding, and a chunk of the lead roof, as the dried out wood wouldn’t have had the weight after listening to the news it would’ve been so dried it would’ve burned fast and hot, with very little weight to fall on the stone.
 

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It is my understanding, that, that is not how the Catholic Church operates.

Notre Dame will be rebuilt with Catholics (& maybe some non Catholics) who have buckets of $$$ to spend & are very willingly to give it to the church.

Whenever I have wondered why the Catholic Church has billions of $$$ in artwork, gold & buildings......I have always been told that, “all of that has been donated.”

It just seems so bizarre to me, when Jesus lived such a humble, simple life.
Catholic Church-richest organization by far in the world.

Anyway, the Cathedral itself is owned by the French ministry of arts I believe. I know it’s government owned with the church accountable for day to day upkeep, the government for major work, however if I remember correctly and it’s been a few years, France cannot directly spend government money on upkeep so they have a private sponsor that raises money for the modernization and repair work. (Which is why it has continually been so poorly maintained imo, as there is no one party responsible. The great cathedrals as a general rule are in terrible condition structurally)

Anyway, a French billionaire has already pledged 100 million euros, and I’m sure huge donations are coming. (Edit: the amount pledged is up to a half billion euros from just 5 major donors so far as of this am) However, this renovation to the towers and now the roof and spire were majority from American sources. They will be lucky to get a cent out of the Catholic Church proper.
 
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Catholic Church-richest organization by far in the world.

Anyway, the Cathedral itself is owned by the French ministry of arts I believe. I know it’s government owned with the church accountable for day to day upkeep, the government for major work, however if I remember correctly and it’s been a few years, France cannot directly spend government money on upkeep so they have a private sponsor that raises money for the modernization and repair work. (Which is why it has continually been so poorly maintained imo, as there is no one party responsible. The great cathedrals as a general rule are in terrible condition structurally)

Anyway, a French billionaire has already pledged 100 million euros, and I’m sure huge donations are coming. However, this renovation to the towers and now the roof and spire were majority from American sources. They will be lucky to get a cent out of the Catholic Church proper.
Wow!!! A lot of education there!

Thanks for all of the scoop.
 

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It is my understanding, that, that is not how the Catholic Church operates.

Notre Dame will be rebuilt with Catholics (& maybe some non Catholics) who have buckets of $$$ to spend & are very willingly to give it to the church.

Whenever I have wondered why the Catholic Church has billions of $$$ in artwork, gold & buildings......I have always been told that, “all of that has been donated.”

It just seems so bizarre to me, when Jesus lived such a humble, simple life.
If the works of art, etc weren't on display--for free, I might add--in these churches, they'd be locked away in some rich guy's home. Having these priceless works of religious art allows them to be shared with all who walk through the door. This way, even the poorest can share in the beauty of these works.
 

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Catholic Church-richest organization by far in the world.

Anyway, the Cathedral itself is owned by the French ministry of arts I believe. I know it’s government owned with the church accountable for day to day upkeep, the government for major work, however if I remember correctly and it’s been a few years, France cannot directly spend government money on upkeep so they have a private sponsor that raises money for the modernization and repair work. (Which is why it has continually been so poorly maintained imo, as there is no one party responsible. The great cathedrals as a general rule are in terrible condition structurally)

Anyway, a French billionaire has already pledged 100 million euros, and I’m sure huge donations are coming. (Edit: the amount pledged is up to a half billion euros from just 5 major donors so far as of this am) However, this renovation to the towers and now the roof and spire were majority from American sources. They will be lucky to get a cent out of the Catholic Church proper.
Yes, I learned about all of above just a few weeks ago as we were visiting Paris, my BIL has learned alot about the city, the sites and the history and facts all around them.

Like I said before not a fan of the Catholic Church or organized religion in general as I think on a macro scale they do more harm than good....but I'm a huge fan of history and art and it is good news that Salma Hayek's husband and family are making this generous donation......
 

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Tough to see all of the damage, but it looks like there's enough left to rebuild around. I'm surprised the windows survived it. I would have thought the heat from the fire would be too much and shatter them. The stained glass oval looks amazing.
 

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I simply value the history, the architecture and culture of a building like that. I mean it is simply an irreplaceable part of western culture. The artifacts that are in it, the part of the cross, the crown of thorns and such, while I’m not Catholic, I realize the massive importance for those who are and am tremendously happy that they were saved

I’m hoping as the stone cools and retains its strength over the course of the next few days. If that happens, then there shouldn’t be any great problems with rebuilding the roof and spire. Of course the structure materials will have to change as there isn’t anywhere on earth with 400 year old oak trees in that number to rebuild with authenticity. However, if done right it can return to greatness rather quickly I assume. Besides the wood (depending on how authenticc they want to be) I’m assuming large lead panels will be pretty difficult to source these days.
 

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Tough to see all of the damage, but it looks like there's enough left to rebuild around. I'm surprised the windows survived it. I would have thought the heat from the fire would be too much and shatter them. The stained glass oval looks amazing.
Believe it or not that will probably be the most difficult part of the restoration. I know a guy who does stained glass work (certainly nothing on this scale) but the pieces of glass are held together with lead. I’m sure that even though the windows are still there, that the detail work to repair and solidify any lead joints will take craftsmen years and years to redo.

Was also just reading in the New York Post that there are 3 holes in the stone roof. Where the base of the spire was, then two more towards the front towers. While they will need immediate stabilization to make sure there is no further damage, the rest of the building is structurally sound.
 
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is this going to be another steve bartman episode? or will they not release the person/people name who caused the fire?
 

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is this going to be another steve bartman episode? or will they not release the person/people name who caused the fire?
I doubt in this situation the names will be released. From what I have been reading (bored in hotel waiting for wife to get done) it doesn’t seem like there was any active work at the time going on. It seems at this point that something was smoldering, it set off an alarm, the area was checked out and nothing was found, then 23 min later a second alarm sounded and that’s when the fire was apparent. So it’s not even seeming that it was anything with an immediate mistake sort of thing.
 

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Assassin's Creed to the potential rescue?

https://www.gamebyte.com/assassins-creed-unity-will-be-used-to-help-rebuild-notre-dame/?fbclid=IwAR2lnwSXV022oveYlVbQbHlAJiXKFhmAXNyx_SNWDEosKcTRitClEiHKQlk

Unity artist Caroline Miousse, spoke to The Verge a few years ago about the creation of the cathedral in the game.

The Verge wrote: “In the case of the Notre Dame, easily the biggest structure in the game, it meant recreating a version of the cathedral that didn’t actually exist at the time.

“Level artist Miousse spent literally years fussing over the details of the building. She pored over photos to get the architecture just right, and worked with texture artists to make sure that each brick was as it should be.”
 

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