Malcolm Jenkins: "Football is a nonessential business and so we don't need to do it" (2 Viewers)

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And I think you're estimating based on assumptions without having any real notion of how the finances of an NFL team are managed. Not saying that I do either, but i don't think it's a easy or financially viable as simply the billionaire owner loosening his pocketbook. But, then again, I doubt Malcom Jenkins does either and that's just the point. His vocalization of opinion affects much more than just him and the influence he has carries much weight with both public opinion and the NFLPA. If he wants to make a statement that he doesn't want to or won't play until he feels that it's safe, fine. But as a player, to imply that the NFL shouldn't play affects more than just him.
I'm not talking merely about team finances. I'm talking personal finances, too.
 

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I don't think it's Malcolm Jenkins' responsibility to consider the financial implications to everyone involved in NFL operations before he decides whether or not he's going to play football in the midst of a pandemic. He's not required to consider anyone's financial hardships and exchange them in return for risks to his health.

That's not how governments work. They're not issuing policies that financially benefit the masses. How often do they tell the 1% to suck it up, "Think about the livelihoods of your less fortunate brothers and sisters." :smilielol:

That's not how organizations do business. When they're paying you minimum wage they don't give a damn about your ability to maintain a livelihood.

The NFL doesn't make sacrifices in an attempt to keep money in the fans pockets. I guarantee that when the idea of a cancelled season crept in, their first, second and third thought was NOT about the bank accounts of employees that lay turf or sell game day trinkets.

That's not how this society works. On a good day. When physical health isn't even on the line.

Yet, when it comes to Malcolm Jenkins saying he doesn't want to contract a virus, he needs to watch his mouth and think of everyone else's pocketbook before he speaks.

The nerve of you people.
 

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I don't think it's Malcolm Jenkins' responsibility to consider the financial implications to everyone involved in NFL operations before he decides whether or not he's going to play football in the midst of a pandemic. He's not required to consider anyone's financial hardships and exchange them in return for risks to his health.

That's not how governments work. They're not issuing policies that financially benefit the masses. How often do they tell the 1% to suck it up, "Think about the livelihoods of your less fortunate brothers and sisters." :smilielol:

That's not how organizations do business. When they're paying you minimum wage they don't give a damn about your ability to maintain a livelihood.

The NFL doesn't make sacrifices in an attempt to keep money in the fans pockets. I guarantee that when the idea of a cancelled season crept in, their first, second and third thought was NOT about the bank accounts of employees that lay turf or sell game day trinkets.

That's not how this society works. On a good day. When physical health isn't even on the line.

Yet, when it comes to Malcolm Jenkins saying he doesn't want to contract a virus, he needs to watch his mouth and think of everyone else's pocketbook before he speaks.

The nerve of you people.
I hate to think this way, but there is a prevailing thought in America that rich BLACK athletes should just SHUT UP and "dribble" (play ball). We don't buy tickets for you to think or be socially conscious, we buy tickets for you to entertain us and know your place.

It's sickening.
 
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I hate to think this way, but there is a prevailing thought in America that rich BLACK athletes should just SHUT UP and "dribble" (play ball). We don't buy tickets for you to think or be socially conscious, we buy tickets for you to entertain us and know your place.

It's sickening.
I'm going to start off this post in defense, but I hope you hear me out until the end.

I think you're wrong and moreso I think you're wrong to imply that's what's going on in this thread. I think, for the most part, the people replying negatively to Jenkins comments are most definitely not because they want the "black man to shut up and dribble." I wouldn't even say that everyone that's saying he should shut up and play are doing so because he is black. There many people who just get sick of hearing stars opinions of any sort, color, creed or sex.

That said, I was wrong as well. I watched the video when it was first posted and got the impression that he was saying that the NFL should not have a season until it was deemed safe. That's what my opinions have been based on. Not because he's black, not because he's outspoken and not because I worry over his focus on matters that affect the team. I was wrong. I rewatched the video and now realize he was specifically talking about himself and I'm certain that when you reread my posts that you will see that I wasn't making that distinction.
 

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I'm going to start off this post in defense, but I hope you hear me out until the end.

I think you're wrong and moreso I think you're wrong to imply that's what's going on in this thread. I think, for the most part, the people replying negatively to Jenkins comments are most definitely not because they want the "black man to shut up and dribble." I wouldn't even say that everyone that's saying he should shut up and play are doing so because he is black. There many people who just get sick of hearing stars opinions of any sort, color, creed or sex.
do you imagine Chris Long gets the same pushback that Jenkins et al get?

That said, I was wrong as well. I watched the video when it was first posted and got the impression that he was saying that the NFL should not have a season until it was deemed safe. That's what my opinions have been based on. Not because he's black, not because he's outspoken and not because I worry over his focus on matters that affect the team. I was wrong. I rewatched the video and now realize he was specifically talking about himself and I'm certain that when you reread my posts that you will see that I wasn't making that distinction.
well said
 
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do you imagine Chris Long gets the same pushback that Jenkins et al get?
From team fans? I wouldn't know. Is Chris Long as outspoken and visible as Malcom Jenkins is? I don't think he is, but maybe that's just because Jenkins is a Saints player so I see him from many more sources than I would from another team. I honestly don't pay much attention to what Chris Long has to say because I have little emotional investment with him (hope I'm phrasing that clearly).
 

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From team fans? I wouldn't know. Is Chris Long as outspoken and visible as Malcom Jenkins is? I don't think he is, but maybe that's just because Jenkins is a Saints player so I see him from many more sources than I would from another team. I honestly don't pay much attention to what Chris Long has to say because I have little emotional investment with him (hope I'm phrasing that clearly).
Sure
But it’s a chicken/egg thing that kinda belies your response to SFiLA. Long holds very similar views as Malcolm, is an ally through and through
But reporters don’t run to him like they do AA players
That’s a good thing bc he shouldn’t be a spokesperson for the movement, but it also means that he is less a target for vitriol

But if we’re being honest with ourselves we know that black athletes get a metric ton more blowback than white athletes expressing similar positions
 

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I've already explained that that is not what I'm saying so I'm not sure why distinctions are still not being made.

He can take whatever risk he would like...or not. But he is not simply expressing the opinion that he would not like to play. He is seemingly 'using his platform' to suggest that there shouldn't be football at all, thereby expressing the desire that no one should be able to make a decision otherwise. That comes across as self centered to me.

Maybe it's not. Maybe he's been asked to express this view by other players. And in fairness to Malcom, he does make a short qualification at the end of the clip. Regardless, there can be a little more care taken to understand the weight of that sort of statement on the livelihoods of others. It comes across as failing to recognize that people make the same decision every day for much less than the millions at stake for his teammates.

For example, I know business owners who are personally at risk with comorbitities to Covid. They've lost family members themselves. But they've opened their businesses for the sake of their employees who need to pay their bills and care for their families.

It's like this...many livelihoods are affected by whether there are NFL games in New Orleans. I'd like there to be a little more consideration out of the mouths of multimillionaires who have little to lose if there's no games. I can empathize with risks involved in being exposed to Covid as I've had to answer that question for myself. I'd just like a little more empathy going the other direction.
You noticed the "little qualification" which, imho, negates your entire set of assumptions. And since when does a person have to have someone else's permission to discuss their own opinion? The rest of that "expressing a desire that no one should be able to make a decision" is your assumption based on your underlying and recurring belief that economic pressures are secondary to the danger of Covid.

You've been very consistent in your position and I understand it, but it's completely hypocritical. You are here bashing his opinion and arguing he shouldn't be able to use his position to speak for others because their economic desperation requires him to shut up and play yet here you are speaking for all of those people who may or may not agree with either of you. And, you're presuming to make a whole lot of assumptions based on nothing except that your position on all of these discussions has been that one shouldn't have to be told not to work to pay their bills seemingly because you believe the risk of having to be on welfare or sequestered is greater than the risk of killing off 30 million of your fellow countrymen.

And then you get to empathy and expect a professional athlete at the end of his career who faces serious injury every day at practice and games to keep quiet and play because others may have a hard time making a living serving drinks and food during a global pandemic.

The people you know who have opened despite their risk factors are with all good intention making life and death decisions based on their best guess as to the risk. If you ask them, which you obviously have in order to know their positions, they're doing nothing more than Jenkins has done expressing his own personal opinion.

How are you allowed to speak your mind while bashing him for speaking his?
 

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If he wants to make a statement that he doesn't want to or won't play until he feels that it's safe, fine. But as a player, to imply that the NFL shouldn't play affects more than just him.
What the literal heck distinction can be drawn between these two thoughts?

And, for what it's worth, the NFL shouldn't play this year. The economic damage of losing a season pales in comparison to the damage that will be done if they lose a dozen players to the infection and dozens suffering permanent respiratory illness.

Payton's had it. At his age, he's lucky he didn't get it worse, but all it takes is an Andy Reid or Drew Brees, Tom Brady or someone of that stature to get it and die and the whole NFL is damaged forever.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, a lot of teams are already doing that, but that won't be sustainable for very long without a season.
An NFL owner could give each of the 4,000 people you're concerned with $20,000 each and it wouldn't amount to half of this years salary cap. Some NFL owners own yachts that cost more than that.

A billion is alot of money.
 
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Sure
But it’s a chicken/egg thing that kinda belies your response to SFiLA. Long holds very similar views as Malcolm, is an ally through and through
But reporters don’t run to him like they do AA players
That’s a good thing bc he shouldn’t be a spokesperson for the movement, but it also means that he is less a target for vitriol

But if we’re being honest with ourselves we know that black athletes get a metric ton more blowback than white athletes expressing similar positions
Is that more a product of the media attention rather than general public outcry?
 
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What the literal heck distinction can be drawn between these two thoughts?

And, for what it's worth, the NFL shouldn't play this year. The economic damage of losing a season pales in comparison to the damage that will be done if they lose a dozen players to the infection and dozens suffering permanent respiratory illness.

Payton's had it. At his age, he's lucky he didn't get it worse, but all it takes is an Andy Reid or Drew Brees, Tom Brady or someone of that stature to get it and die and the whole NFL is damaged forever.
See my other post. I think it clears up the position I was coming from as I misunderstood what Jenkins was saying. Mea Culpa
 
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I'm going to start off this post in defense, but I hope you hear me out until the end.

I think you're wrong and moreso I think you're wrong to imply that's what's going on in this thread. I think, for the most part, the people replying negatively to Jenkins comments are most definitely not because they want the "black man to shut up and dribble." I wouldn't even say that everyone that's saying he should shut up and play are doing so because he is black. There many people who just get sick of hearing stars opinions of any sort, color, creed or sex.

That said, I was wrong as well. I watched the video when it was first posted and got the impression that he was saying that the NFL should not have a season until it was deemed safe. That's what my opinions have been based on. Not because he's black, not because he's outspoken and not because I worry over his focus on matters that affect the team. I was wrong. I rewatched the video and now realize he was specifically talking about himself and I'm certain that when you reread my posts that you will see that I wasn't making that distinction.
Kudos to you for the mea culpa.

That's the danger of our rapidly decreasing attention spans. I've done it before too, in fact I did it just the other day on an SSF thread and ended up apologizing to a guy. Other posters (who clearly didn't watch the video) were claiming that he said "we should shut football down!" and you based your value judgement off of that.

For all we know the people who posted that Jenkins said "we should shut football down!" didn't even actually watch the video, but just read the headline or whatever.

A good reminder that we all owe it to each other to inform ourselves about conversations before we start arguing with each other.
 

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