NFL Marquis Lee Released (1 Viewer)

[TribuneUK]

OK guys I guess its my fault for not explaining what I mean by WR2. So traditionally WR1/WR2 play on the outside with the WR3 playing the slot. So technically yes E. Sanders will be the WR2 but he is best used in the slot off the line where he can do damage against a SS or Slot corner, thats what I mean so I apologize. So I mean if we were to pick up Lee or draft B. Aiyuk aka Reggie Wayne aka Mr. Separation aka Mr. Social distancing our offense would look like WR1 MT13 WR2 B. Aiyuk (outside wrs) E. Sanders WR3 (slot) with Jared Cook at the TE spot with AK47 in the back to motion or not motion. On Defense your done, I don't care what defense is on the other side, you getting scored on, the atlanta heart attack game blow out, TB game blow out, both secondaries are trash. We are guaranteed a super bowl appearance at the worst. We lost the past 2 years for being outgunned on offense Rams wrs everywhere OUTGUNNED and Viking WRs everywhere OUTGUNNED, we left about 4-5 scoring plays on the field against the Vikings because our offense was undermanned and the saints could get E. Sanders at the trade deadline. The team that got him went to the super bowl. OUTGUNNED (SF lost E. Sander went for 170 against us) OUTGUNNED.

I understand the WR2 concept, fair enough, although Sanders has actually been an outside receiver for most of his career. I know, I didn't think so either until I read about it recently.

Unfortunately I cannot subscribe to the 'unstoppable offense wins championships' theory at all. It's not borne out by the history of the game. In fact, more often than not, the wildly successful offense gets limited, constrained and then beaten in a championship game by the better defense on a team with complementary offense and special teams. Sorry.

Not to say I don't favour a bloody good offense, but it's not the defining factor of championship level success.

 

[saint_drago]

Unfortunately I cannot subscribe to the 'unstoppable offense wins championships' theory at all. It's not borne out by the history of the game. In fact, more often than not, the wildly successful offense gets limited, constrained and then beaten in a championship game by the better defense on a team with complementary offense and special teams. Sorry.

But see that's the thing. We finally have a complimentary defense and special teams. Our defense isn't great but they are solid and our special teams unit, hell they might be the best in football.

 

[TribuneUK]

But see that's the thing. We finally have a complimentary defense and special teams. Our defense isn't great but they are solid and our special teams unit, hell they might be the best in football.

Oh, in totality, I'm all on board the 'balanced team wins*' train.

* Championship never guaranteed, just have to accept it kids.

It's the apparently misguided belief that you can assemble an unstoppable offense that will carry all before it, that I will always have a problem with. It just doesn't work out that way. History demonstrates it again and again, and the results actually favour the team with a better defense than offense. Although history also shows there are a lot of ways in which this can manifest itself, e.g. stifling yard denying defense or opportunistic turnover driven defense.

 

[kennydfresh]

I understand the WR2 concept, fair enough, although Sanders has actually been an outside receiver for most of his career. I know, I didn't think so either until I read about it recently.

Unfortunately I cannot subscribe to the 'unstoppable offense wins championships' theory at all. It's not borne out by the history of the game. In fact, more often than not, the wildly successful offense gets limited, constrained and then beaten in a championship game by the better defense on a team with complementary offense and special teams. Sorry.

Not to say I don't favour a bloody good offense, but it's not the defining factor of championship level success.

I hate to tell you but we been the most balanced team the past 2 years and been sent home the past 2 years by better offenses . TQS ain't it, I'm sorry. We need an outside WR that beat his man, create separation, and be enough of a threat to have teams worry about him. BTW KC #6 and SF #4 offense ain't to shabby, KC #17 (NO #11) defense is trash yet they won a super bowl with it. Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't lie.

 

[TribuneUK]

I hate to tell you but we been the most balanced team the past 2 years and been sent home the past 2 years by better offenses . TQS ain't it, I'm sorry. We need an outside WR that beat his man, create separation, and be enough of a threat to have teams worry about him. BTW KC #6 and SF #4 offense ain't to shabby, KC #17 (NO #11) defense is trash yet they won a super bowl with it. Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't lie.

Hey, Mahomes and that offense are no joke, for sure, but a couple of things here.

First, SF had the higher ranked (better?) offense. So if offense wins, then how come they didn't? Unsurprisingly it starts with the KC defence doing a great job, just as they had to do when overcoming a lead to Houston and Tennessee during the playoffs.

Second, I referenced the history of the NFL, not just one season. For every team with a sparkling O that wins it all, there are still the other crucial components of victory that were needed to get there. If we don't get three fumbles and the crucial pickoff of Favre in 2009, we don't get to, let alone win the Super Bowl. The defense had to bail us out, because (and this happens) the Vikings defense did a damn good job on our O that game.

All the aspects of a team are really important (I haven't even mentioned coaching yet), with huge numbers of complex variables, and will never, ever be as simple as 'add this guy and we win it all'.

 

[kennydfresh]

Hey, Mahomes and that offense are no joke, for sure, but a couple of things here.

First, SF had the higher ranked (better?) offense. So if offense wins, then how come they didn't? Unsurprisingly it starts with the KC defence doing a great job, just as they had to do when overcoming a lead to Houston and Tennessee during the playoffs.

Second, I referenced the history of the NFL, not just one season. For every team with a sparkling O that wins it all, there are still the other crucial components of victory that were needed to get there. If we don't get three fumbles and the crucial pickoff of Favre in 2009, we don't get to, let alone win the Super Bowl. The defense had to bail us out, because (and this happens) the Vikings defense did a damn good job on our O that game.

All the aspects of a team are really important (I haven't even mentioned coaching yet), with huge numbers of complex variables, and will never, ever be as simple as 'add this guy and we win it all'.

Your making my argument for me. The Vikings went to SF the next week and got freaking demolished. Same team that beat us, played the same team we almost beat and ran up 500yds on. Thank you for making my argument for me. We continue to lose because we aren't good enough. Give us Aiyuk and Queen, I guarantee you nobody beating us. I would draft them two power down my computer and continue self quarantining.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Hey, Mahomes and that offense are no joke, for sure, but a couple of things here.

First, SF had the higher ranked (better?) offense.

To be fair, had Mahomes and Tyreek Hill not missed portions of the season, this probably would not have been the case.

 

[Ragnarok]

To be fair, had Mahomes and Tyreek Hill not missed portions of the season, this probably would not have been the case.

Meh they werent the same offense as the were the year before

 

[Loose Cannon]

Meh they werent the same offense as the were the year before

They averaged 39 points per game in the playoffs. Their offense was just fine.

 

[Ragnarok]

They averaged 39 points in the playoffs. Their offense was just fine.

Lol, okay

 

[sammymvpknight]

Exactly. Right now on paper we have two WRs who have shown they can produce in this league. Tre'Quan Smith might turn into a good player or he might be just another guy. One way or another for this season based on what I've seen from him so far, I'd much rather him be the 4th guy on the depth chart instead of the 3rd.

If the Saints come out in a 3 WR set with MT, Sanders, and Smith the offense will be good. But if they find another legit WR to go with MT and Sanders then we're talking about something truly special. We're talking about something that would be impossible to defend and we're probably talking about a Super Bowl. That's how close I think we are.

Lee is another guy who has really shown nothing in the league. I'm a Jags fan. I really like Marquis Lee as a person. He's a hard worker who has fallen on hard luck (this is opposed to Fournette who is a lazy malcontent who has underachieved for a reason). But Lee simply can't stay healthy. It's literally one injury after another. He's one of the most injury prone WRs I've ever seen. Whatever potential he showed early on is slipping away. His ability has been fading with each of these injuries. I fear that he could be reach the end of the road, which is really sad.

 

[Saint Taysom]

We sign one WR and now people are acting like our WR room is so loaded that we have no use for a player like Marqise Lee lol. Obviously health is an issue but that injury history should make his contract reasonable. And yes we have Sanders but Sanders is 33 years old. I'd love to have another WR just in case.

At this point I've wanted WRs for so long I'm not going to turn my nose up at any possibility. MT needs all the help he can get.

Lee would fit the Saints offense and instantly be an upgrade over the current TQS. Maybe his presence pushes TQS to emerge, maybe not, but Lee was considered by some to be the Jags best WR... and when he’s healthy he’s good (and he’s endured some trash QB play.)

 

[TribuneUK]

Your making my argument for me. The Vikings went to SF the next week and got freaking demolished. Same team that beat us, played the same team we almost beat and ran up 500yds on. Thank you for making my argument for me. We continue to lose because we aren't good enough. Give us Aiyuk and Queen, I guarantee you nobody beating us. I would draft them two power down my computer and continue self quarantining.

I haven't supported your argument, but you have successfully undermined your own. Congratulations.

Your can't guarantee anything just by adding players, it's just forum hyperbole. Not to mention I'd be intrigued as to how you're drafting Queen and Aiyuk at the same time ?

 

[TribuneUK]

To be fair, had Mahomes and Tyreek Hill not missed portions of the season, this probably would not have been the case.

I know, but it suited the purpose of pointing out the absurdity of suggesting games are absolutely determined by having a higher ranked offense.

KC's D would likely be higher ranked if they had Chris Jones all season, but woulda coulda shoulda.

 

[saint_drago]

Lee is another guy who has really shown nothing in the league.

He's shown more than our #3, #4, and #5 WRs combined.

My point isn't that Lee is some great player. My point is that our depth chart is just that ugly. I like to think we can do better than Lil'Jordan Humphrey and co.