Marvel getting desperate (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

I think that film was such a major disaster at the box office, they're sort of pretending none of it happened, though they'll have to make some sort of reference at some point if The Black Knight is in the Blade movie as has been strongly hinted.

I don't mind them ignoring it. I hated that comic when it came out, and the film only reinforced my opinion of it.

I was fine with it as a standalone movie, but I had a hard time seeing how it connected with the rest of the MCU. I liked the movie, but I can see why a lot of people had issues with it.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

LOL I'm so glad they mentioned this - I felt like I was crazy for wondering what the hell are they going to do with THAT?

Never Forget

 

[Goatman Saint]

I was a big Marvel fan up through endgame, but even at endgame it was starting to wear. The brilliance of Marvel in the beginning was getting good actors and putting a script together which made for a great movie, with the characters developing, facing their own challenges in a believable way. They kept the character count low and developed them.

Now it seems like Marvel has simply gone off the rails and wants to include everyone in everything. By the time you got to endgame, the focus lost somewhat.

Now with the flood of movies, and how they all interweave, unless you’re hardcore, none of them truly stands alone. Iron man, captain America, Thor could all for the most part stand alone. Even the first Avengers to a comics fan could stand alone. Now, not so much.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Loki is truly excellent
Very ‘comic booky’ and perhaps not to everyone’s taste, but Marvel is clearly able to still put out great content

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I think movie delays from Covid, strikes, etc. have made things feel more disjointed than they really are. For example, Cap America 4 has been delayed and I think even shuffled in the release schedule for a few reasons. A fight to control resources mined from the Celestial body is a big part of that movie plot. A lot of people are speculating there will be adamantium mined from the body.

I think the angst about Marvel is overblown. Yes, quality has dropped, but the movies are still mostly entertaining and all are profitable. They aren't losing money, they just aren't reaching the heights of the old core characters.

The death of Chadwick had a bigger effect than people realized. He was supposed to be a huge part of the future of the MCU and take over leading the new Avengers. Now they had to change direction and don't have someone as charismatic to be the face of the MCU as Downey was. I also think they are releasing too much content and stretching themselves too thin which leads to tons of mediocre content instead of a few pieces of great content. The Disney+ business plan has hurt the brands of both Marvel and Star Wars.

I still look forward to every Marvel film (less excited about the Disney+ stuff).

 

[Optimus Prime]

The interconnectivity can be a bad thing also

Post Endgame I've fallen behind

I still haven't seen Black Widow, Ten Rings, Eternals, Ant Man 3 or Guardians 3

The only show I've seen is Falcon and Winter Soldier and half of Loki Season 1

As I fell further behind, catching up seemed like a daunting task (or a chore) and if there is a movie I'm interested in I think I'd be out of the loop because I'm so behind

(I'm sure Dr Strange Multiverse would have made more sense if I had seen WandaVision)

As it gets colder I'm sure there will be a lazy Saturday on the couch with cocoa that I start to catch up - but have quite a few other backlogs I have to work on (still need to watch Mando season 3, Andor and Ashoka)

 

[DaveXA]

Loki is truly excellent
Very ‘comic booky’ and perhaps not to everyone’s taste, but Marvel is clearly able to still put out great content

Yep, as with most D+ offerings, I'm enjoying the show. It feels well done and meaningful, and ultimately I feel will be consequential. We'll see.

 

[Semper]

I strongly dislike all this multiverse quantum stuff.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Star Wars = Truly excellent and amazing film making. The wait was part of the excitement! - Bought by Disney. Market flooded with Star Wars.

Marvel = Fun, exciting movies that had storylines that were just enough to keep you wanting more. Again, the wait. - Bought by Disney. Marvel shows, movies every six months, market flooded.

I see a pattern........

 

[DaveXA]

I strongly dislike all this multiverse quantum stuff.

I love it. Really has grown on me and I think the MCU pulls it off pretty well.

Different strokes I guess.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I think movie delays from Covid, strikes, etc. have made things feel more disjointed than they really are. For example, Cap America 4 has been delayed and I think even shuffled in the release schedule for a few reasons. A fight to control resources mined from the Celestial body is a big part of that movie plot. A lot of people are speculating there will be adamantium mined from the body.

I think the angst about Marvel is overblown. Yes, quality has dropped, but the movies are still mostly entertaining and all are profitable. They aren't losing money, they just aren't reaching the heights of the old core characters.

The death of Chadwick had a bigger effect than people realized. He was supposed to be a huge part of the future of the MCU and take over leading the new Avengers. Now they had to change direction and don't have someone as charismatic to be the face of the MCU as Downey was. I also think they are releasing too much content and stretching themselves too thin which leads to tons of mediocre content instead of a few pieces of great content. The Disney+ business plan has hurt the brands of both Marvel and Star Wars.

I still look forward to every Marvel film (less excited about the Disney+ stuff).

yes to all of this
for all the things that had to break right for the MCU to takeoff and grow and number of things (only a few in their control) came together to stymie further growth

 

[livefromDC]

I think movie delays from Covid, strikes, etc. have made things feel more disjointed than they really are. For example, Cap America 4 has been delayed and I think even shuffled in the release schedule for a few reasons. A fight to control resources mined from the Celestial body is a big part of that movie plot. A lot of people are speculating there will be adamantium mined from the body.

I think the angst about Marvel is overblown. Yes, quality has dropped, but the movies are still mostly entertaining and all are profitable. They aren't losing money, they just aren't reaching the heights of the old core characters.

The death of Chadwick had a bigger effect than people realized. He was supposed to be a huge part of the future of the MCU and take over leading the new Avengers. Now they had to change direction and don't have someone as charismatic to be the face of the MCU as Downey was. I also think they are releasing too much content and stretching themselves too thin which leads to tons of mediocre content instead of a few pieces of great content. The Disney+ business plan has hurt the brands of both Marvel and Star Wars.

I still look forward to every Marvel film (less excited about the Disney+ stuff).

Say what you will about Marvel, and I tend to agree. However, the Disney+ content has made me a bigger Stars Wars fan. I've enjoyed the series. I've gotten deeper into the lore than I have before and that's due to the tv shows. I'm watching the animated series now because of Ahsoka. I didn't think that would happen.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Star Wars = Truly excellent and amazing film making. The wait was part of the excitement! - Bought by Disney. Market flooded with Star Wars.

Marvel = Fun, exciting movies that had storylines that were just enough to keep you wanting more. Again, the wait. - Bought by Disney. Marvel shows, movies every six months, market flooded.

I see a pattern........

this feels like an argument in search of evidence - the prequels were (mostly) garbage - nothing excellent or amazing about it
Disney saved SW from Lucas's worst impulses
episodes 7 & 8, while not great were better than 1-3
Andor, much of Mando, Bad Batch, Ahsoka, Rebels, Visions, Tales of the Jedi have all been good to great additions to Star Wars

Loki, Ms Marvel, Wandavision, Werewolf by night, much of Moonknight, Far from Home, GotG 3, What If, Shang-chi, some of She-Hulk have been good to great as well
and what misses there have been have been meh - only one or two stinkers

the "DISNEY!!!" critique is banal and unserious

 

[DaveXA]

this feels like an argument in search of evidence - the prequels were (mostly) garbage - nothing excellent or amazing about it
Disney saved SW from Lucas's worst impulses
episodes 7 & 8, while not great were better than 1-3
Andor, much of Mando, Bad Batch, Ahsoka, Rebels, Visions, Tales of the Jedi have all been good to great additions to Star Wars

Loki, Ms Marvel, Wandavision, Werewolf by night, much of Moonknight, Far from Home, GotG 3, What If, Shang-chi, some of She-Hulk have been good to great as well
and what misses there have been have been meh - only one or two stinkers

the "DISNEY!!!" critique is banal and unserious

My issue with Marvel is more about pace than anything else. That's a sheet ton of content considering Endgame was in 2019. If you add the movies along with the D+ content. It's a lot, and totally can see why some might fall behind if they've got other things they like to watch regularly. I can keep up because Marvel is my must watch content. Everything else is pretty much optional, so I tend not to fall behind much.

Also, I think they blew up too many of the Avengers in just 2 movies. Black Widow, Iron Man, Captain America, Black Panther etc. I think people who were big fans of some or all of the original Avengers are having a hard time adapting to this new phase. Would have been better if they spread the losses out over a longer period of time to soften the blow.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

My issue with Marvel is more about pace than anything else. That's a sheet ton of content considering Endgame was in 2019. If you add the movies along with the D+ content. It's a lot, and totally can see why some might fall behind if they've got other things they like to watch regularly. I can keep up because Marvel is my must watch content. Everything else is pretty much optional, so I tend not to fall behind much.

sure, but the context is the slamming together of covid and the streaming wars
streaming platforms were already in an arms race when covid hit - it's hard to monday morning QB decisions disney, apple, amazon, netflix, hbo, et al made at the time
Apple & Amazon probably came out the least scathed, but that's probably bc they had better capacity to absorb and weren't already behemoths
i promise you very few of us were home during covid wishing they'd turn down the spigots - we're now all overfed and bloated with content and blaming the content providers and not addressing our consumption habits