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Not really. He was never really portrayed as having grown up poverty stricken or anything. Most of his issues are a result of him having to manage both personas and the negative toll it takes on his work/life balance moreso than growing up poor or anything like that. That was never really a part of the character.
It’s hard to filter through the noise of recent iterations, but I’m pretty sure the reason he wrestled in the first place was for the prize money to help May and Ben pay rent
After Ben’s death, May and Peter were constantly on the struggle bus
The reason he freelanced at the daily bugle is he REALLY needed the money
Harry’s wealth was a constant source of (mostly unaddressed) tension
 

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I don't know why they would phase out Hell's Kitchen. I liked the vibe of the city in the Netflix series and was hoping they would keep that.

Street level Spidey and DD are the best versions of them. I guess that's why I liked the Defenders characters for the most part, as well as Punisher. There's definitely a place for galactic heroes, but I like the Batman/Gotham relationship, and it's a similar vibe with Hell's Kitchen imo.
Same, but it’s just hard to keep them at the same level once works shaking events happen
DD and Jessica Jones should stay (and maybe Luke Cage, but Iron fist would be recruited and definitely Spider-Man

it’s a weird inversion bc in the 70s ‘my’ spidey was the top hero - Iron Man was a very low B level hero
But I understand why he emerged as top of the MCU and why it made sense for spidey to be mentored by him, but my preteen self objects strenuously
 

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I think it’s almost better if you didn’t know the comics like myself. My brother grew up on comics and he has this idea in his head of how it should be and then there is me that watches the movies with no past understanding and they seem way more entertaining to me than him.
I'm definitely guilty of this. This is why I go see comic movies by myself on the Thursday premiere night instead of Friday. I get all my comic book complaining out of the way before seeing it again with others.
 

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I see your points on Spiderman, Sun, but as far Peter Parker goes, I think Tom Holland has nailed the character completely. He is unsure of himself, has torn loyalties, does the right thing even when he knows it won't end well for him personally, and its obvious he and Aunt May are low middle class living from check to check, which is why the "Stark scholarship" in Homecoming was so important. And to be frank, I thought Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker was terrible. The man has zero personality as an actor and I didn't feel like he had any grasp on Peter's character at all.
Guido pointed out Peter's financial situation in the comics, and I agree on that, so I'm not sure where you're getting the vibe you presented. Peter and May were always struggling financially, and I still get that sense in the two films, but I see your point about how Stark's presence has changed his scope as Spiderman. I know some of it was so they could throw in the Ultimate Spiderman costume and other such Easter eggs, but, yes, his overpowered Stark suits were out of character from the comic Spidey.

I imagine we'll see it more of the struggling Spidey in the next film now that he's going to have live as a fugitive without Stark to back him up.
 
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It’s hard to filter through the noise of recent iterations, but I’m pretty sure the reason he wrestled in the first place was for the prize money to help May and Ben pay rent
After Ben’s death, May and Peter were constantly on the struggle bus
The reason he freelanced at the daily bugle is he REALLY needed the money
Harry’s wealth was a constant source of (mostly unaddressed) tension
In the original comic he saw the sign and said it would be a good chance to test his power again. He wasn't doing it for the money. That was introduced in the movie. They were really presented as being well off until Uncle Ben passed away.
 

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In the original comic he saw the sign and said it would be a good chance to test his power again. He wasn't doing it for the money. That was introduced in the movie. They were really presented as being well off until Uncle Ben passed away.
yes to the powers, but i don't remember "well off" at all
the prize money was definitely integral to the story (as well as the potential for fame)

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A little off he subject, but I wonder how long they're willing to go before Mysterio reappears. He set up the whole bit to frame Peter so nicely, I don't believe for a minute that he's actually dead. He said in the film how people will believe what they see, so it seems pretty obvious he "produced" that death scene, and no way do I believe (with his ego) that he would have set it up where he would actually die. So will he show up at the end of this film, or will that come later? And for that matter, I'm wondering how many Tom Holland Spidey films they intend to make.
 

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yes to the powers, but i don't remember "well off" at all
the prize money was definitely integral to the story (as well as the potential for fame)

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In the opening issue they bought him a nice new microscope. They had a decent house. Uncle Ben was retired, which isn't saying a lot, but in the 60's that generally meant a pension and decent life. People didn't generally retire into poverty.

All circumstantial I know, but there's enough there to at least call them working class, not poor.
 

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I'm not sure Captain America: Civil War works as a point of comparison. It's really a solo movie in name only (even during production people jokingly called it Avengers 2.5) and it had the luxury of most of those characters having shared the screen a good bit already. It could tell a story with them without doing any heavy lifting. This seems altogether different.
Being that spiderman "is the new tony stark" , his series is probably the best to kick off avengers 4.5....

They have to start off with what the big issue is they'll be moving towards. So,.one of these movies will likely throw a lot of ideas out there.
 

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In the opening issue they bought him a nice new microscope. They had a decent house. Uncle Ben was retired, which isn't saying a lot, but in the 60's that generally meant a pension and decent life. People didn't generally retire into poverty.

All circumstantial I know, but there's enough there to at least call them working class, not poor.
i do remember the telescope now - it actually made me want a telescope
i do still contend that his and May's life was fraught with financial struggles and he very much needed the freelancing gig
AND that would be an awkward fit for contemporary Queens since that working class life hasn't been part of the cultural narrative for decades
 

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Gonna take a loooooong time to parse all this out. Between this and Star Wars today was info overload.
Just offhand, I want to see how “What If” goes, and can an MCU F4 movie finally hit home.

Oh, and Moon Knight. Gimmie.
 

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