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Mayock is a pretty respected guy when it comes to draft prospects.

Tackle

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Defensive End

1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
3. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
T-5. Datone Jones, UCLA
T-5. Margus Hunt, SMU
Outside linebacker

1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
3. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
4. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
5. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
Pre-combine position rankings for 2013 NFL Draft - NFL.com
 

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Mayock is a pretty respected guy when it comes to draft prospects.





Pre-combine position rankings for 2013 NFL Draft - NFL.com
I have really come to respect and appreciate Mayock. He does his homework. Whereas Chandler Jones was not on most draftniks' radar until he became a "name" in scouting circles, Mayock was talking him up as a top pass rusher. Mayock and I do not agree on everything but there are a lot of similarities in the way we see things. For instance, I agree with him that Dion Jordan is the top OLB prospect in this draft. That doesn't mean that either of us will be right, at all. But I at least respect that he is willing to evaluate things honestly without just going with the assumptions that are put out by others.

It's like ESPN Scout's 32. One week, you see Damontre Moore up the top 3. Next week, he has dropped below the top 12. And you ask, "What happened for him to drop? There wasn't any game or performance for him to drop. Could it be that they watched film on him?" No, none of those things. What happens is they begin to talk to actual NFL scouts who then point out who the top guys are and that changes the projections these guys make. So a guy like Moore or even Jarvis Jones begin to drop a bit. Jones' injury history plays a role in it, but he also is a bit limited athletically. So, when scouts begin to communicate, draft boards change. Mayock, love him or hate him, is one of the few who does real evaluations, does not rush to put out a mock/top 25 board, and who is willing to stand by the projections he makes. He was high on Culter. I thought he was nuts and then I had to admit to my wife just this morning that Mayock was right if only because Cutler has played the best out he, Young, and Leinart.
 

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Later tonight i'll put up my top 5 per position, i disagree with some of his.
 

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I'm surprised to see Jordan at #1
I am not. I know a few people do not like Jordan, and that's fair. It's all opinion. But the guy is probably the most fluid athlete on the defensive side of the ball in the entire draft. He moves well, is able to reverse field effortlessly, and really shows "pop" in his pursuit of the ball carrier. He will have to learn better hand placement, but such things can be taught and taught quickly. What cannot be taught is his speed off the edge, his ability to drop back in coverage, his fluid hips, his ability to diagnose, and his disruptiveness. I think Jordan, in the right system, is a stud.

I like Jones but there are some things that scare me. First, he does not have an elite first step and he's not as athletic as someone like a Von Miller to whom he is often compared. He is a tad limited athletically and can get swallowed up in the run game. In a league where they are bigger and faster, and the QBs get rid of the ball quickly, he will have to be placed into the right scheme to have the sort of success people have seen from him at the college level. I do not think he's a bad player by any means; I like him a lot. But I do not think he's an elite prospect as much as I see him as a very, very good player. He has a high floor, which is what you like even if his ceiling is not nearly as high as Jordan or Mingo's. The other thing is, he is really not a student of the game and that has to be a concern.

Finally, with Mingo, there are some things I really like. I would not be upset if he's our pick. But I rate Jordan a bit higher in terms of his fluidness and his coverage ability. I also think Mingo's hand placement can stand even more improvement than Jordan's. I also think he will have to get stronger and show better punch at the point of attack than he does. These things can happen and I hope they will as he has the potential to be an outstanding pass-rusher.
 

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Later tonight i'll put up my top 5 per position, i disagree with some of his.
I think it is impossible to agree on everything. For instance, I have Richardson as the top DT where he has Floyd. But what I can appreciate is that he is willing to say Floyd, and base it on what he has seen/evaluated than to just go with Lotutulei simply because that is the name that every draftnik has been saying since the end of the season.

One of the things that can be bothersome is when you have someone say, hey, I like this guy or I do not like this guy and people criticize it simply because it does not correspond with what they have heard for the first two months of the off-season. So, the mocks/lists tend to look all the same, minus a pick here or there.

It's like when I see LSSPam say that he likes DJ Fluker as the top tackle and he's criticized simply because everyone has been told that Joeckel is the best. Now, I happen to disagree with Spam. But I respect his eyes and his sense of things even as I might point out why I disagree. But starting off with, "Well, that's crazy because everyone knows that X and Y is better" or "how could you put so and so over Moore?" is probably not a well-reasoned argument.

All that said, I will be interested to see your list and would love if you can (you do not have to do so) provide a brief explanation into your thinking.
 

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I am not. I know a few people do not like Jordan, and that's fair. It's all opinion. But the guy is probably the most fluid athlete on the defensive side of the ball in the entire draft. He moves well, is able to reverse field effortlessly, and really shows "pop" in his pursuit of the ball carrier. He will have to learn better hand placement, but such things can be taught and taught quickly. What cannot be taught is his speed off the edge, his ability to drop back in coverage, his fluid hips, his ability to diagnose, and his disruptiveness. I think Jordan, in the right system, is a stud.

I like Jones but there are some things that scare me. First, he does not have an elite first step and he's not as athletic as someone like a Von Miller to whom he is often compared. He is a tad limited athletically and can get swallowed up in the run game. In a league where they are bigger and faster, and the QBs get rid of the ball quickly, he will have to be placed into the right scheme to have the sort of success people have seen from him at the college level. I do not think he's a bad player by any means; I like him a lot. But I do not think he's an elite prospect as much as I see him as a very, very good player. He has a high floor, which is what you like even if his ceiling is not nearly as high as Jordan or Mingo's. The other thing is, he is really not a student of the game and that has to be a concern.

Finally, with Mingo, there are some things I really like. I would not be upset if he's our pick. But I rate Jordan a bit higher in terms of his fluidness and his coverage ability. I also think Mingo's hand placement can stand even more improvement than Jordan's. I also think he will have to get stronger and show better punch at the point of attack than he does. These things can happen and I hope they will as he has the potential to be an outstanding pass-rusher.
Nice analysis! The thing that worried me was his limited usage while at Oregon. If a coach has that stud of a player why inst he an every down guy. Could be a knock on coaching more than Jordan himself.
 

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Nice analysis! The thing that worried me was his limited usage while at Oregon. If a coach has that stud of a player why inst he an every down guy. Could be a knock on coaching more than Jordan himself.
Thanks! He was playing with a torn labrum. The other thing is that Oregon used him in coverage a lot more than other players like Jones and Mingo were used by their respective teams. But when given the chance to rush the passer, he showed what type of player he could be.
 

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Thanks! He was playing with a torn labrum. The other thing is that Oregon used him in coverage a lot more than other players like Jones and Mingo were used by their respective teams. But when given the chance to rush the passer, he showed what type of player he could be.
Gotcha. I'd like to see him opposite of wilson. I know a lot of guys are high on Galette making the transition but I see him as more of an edge rush, aituational guy.
 

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Is Mayock distinguishing between 3-4 and 4-3 players?
No, he is not. This is why you see a guy like Khaseem Greene ranked higher than Mingo. He rates Greene as a 4-3 WLB higher than he rates Mingo as a 3-4 buck/jack.
 

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Is Mayock distinguishing between 3-4 and 4-3 players?
That's not what he does... he ranks them by position regardless of scheme. His rankings are not scheme-specific. An OLB in a 4-3 is a 4-3 in a 3-4, and vice versa. Same with DEs.

It all depends on how teams look at these players.
 

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WOW! I just watched Floyd against Florida State. Very impressive! Probably one of his better games. He uses his hands really well, fights off blocks, plays with leverage, keeps his feet, and pursues really well. He had some things that were not perfect but he played a very solid game. I still like Richardson (his short-area quickness is unparalleled) better but I think Floyd is another guy who could be a factor as a 3-4 DE in that 3-tech role for our 1-gap scheme.
 
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WOW! I just watched Floyd against Florida State. Very impressive! Probably one of his better games. He uses his hands really well, fights off blocks, plays with leverage, keeps his feet, and pursues really well. He had some things that were not perfect but he played a very solid game. I still think that Richardson is better but I think Floyd is another guy who could be a factor as a 3-4 DE in that 3-tech role for our 1-gap scheme.
hey 60minutes, I keep seeing people saying Rob runs a 1gap and some saying he runs a 2gap. Do you know which it is for sure? Do you have a link? thanks a lot man.
 

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