Mayor Cantrell says Superdome is still not ready for 20,000 fans; tells Saints they are welcome to play at Tiger Stadium (1 Viewer)

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Chill, it's just COVID...not even in the same universe as an equitable comparison. If you believe it is, then enjoy the rest of your days in bubble wrap. Plenty of far more dangerous health risks out there than COVID, and a vaccine won't be saving you from any of the above.
Not an equitable comparison? You're right. 38,000 people die annually on American roads. 220,000 have died in the seven-month period since March from COVID19.

Hey there nanny, wag that finger any harder and you might break something.

I am fine with you having an opinion, but what you do NOT get to do is accuse people of "selfish indifference" for having a perfectly legitimate viewpoint on this. A lot of us are getting sick of thit BS of people using COVID to virtue signal how good and moral they are. Cut the crap. You aren't a better person than anyone else here. Some of you just get off on telling others what to do, it sounds like you're firmly in that camp with this trollish screed of a post.

If you want to huddle indoors until a magical vaccine comes along that we really have no clue when that will be, that is your business. But we can wear masks and socially distance and still have a life, the science says that. The science also says that unless you're elderly or suffer from health issues, there's really no problem with going to a Saints game if you want to.
The phrase "virtue signalling" is really the last bastion of the intellectual featherweight, typically deployed to delegitimise an argument without actually engaging with it.

The idea that it is merely an individual decision is completely flawed. Look at the idiots who went to Sturgis. That might be the biggest super-spreader event to date. How many people did those attendees subsequently come into contact with who were unwittingly exposed? How many of those second-tier infections resulted in deaths? What about their families? What about the frontline health workers? And your comment that it only affects the elderly is sadly misconceived, but also underscores a callous and cavalier attitude. My grandmother is elderly. My parents are inching toward that category. If the pharmacist who provides my dad prescription medication makes an "individual choice" to go to the game, then subsequently comes into contact with him and he catches it (and he's in a high-risk category, to be sure), that's just too bad right? My concerns aren't legitimate - I'm just trolling?

And what does it say of you as a person when you're accusing me of trolling for raising legitimate concerns, informed by science, as to the effect of a pandemic that has to date killed more Americans than the total cumulative combat fatalities of WW1, the Korean and Vietnam wars? And will surpass the Civil War by Christmas and likely WW2 not long after that? That says something about one of us, but I would put to you that it isn't me.

The virus has a replication rate of 2.5x without any risk mitigation in place (masks, social distancing). But that doesn't mean there is no risk when these measures are put in place. Mask or no mask, if you're indoors in the same position for an extended period of time, your chance of catching the virus remains moderate even if the Dome is well ventilated and people are spaced out. Unless you expect everybody to keep their mouth shut the whole time.



But to heck with all of that, because "mah freedoms". I'm sure it'll be fun tailgating pre-game while the refrigerated trucks are backing up to take away the bodies.
 

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In other words, I'ma get in my car blind drunk and travel 120MPH through suburban streets and its on the rest of you to make a decision to not go on the roads.



I mean, you're talking about a state with the highest rate of infections per 100,000 people, in a country with the highest death rate in the world, but apparently it's a local issue to do with Mayor Cantrell.

Some of you have truly reached a low-point of selfish indifference.

Frankly, the league should have taken this decision out of the hands of the teams and banned fans everywhere, but they were and are too gutless.
And I live in that same state where since all this covid stuff began I know exactly ONE person who has tested positive and this is a morbidly obese (over 400 pounds) man who has been in poor health for years and he never got sick or felt any of the symptoms from it.

My best friend from high school is my personal physician and my nephew is also a doctor and both of them believe that the covid numbers have been a bit inflated.........like the young man who was admitted to a hospital in New York with four gunshot wounds and later died. Cause of death that was listed?..........................you guessed it......................COVID19!!

So maybe you should try to avoid judging people's "selfish indifference" or maybe it could be that even in crazy times such as these that people are just plain tired of power hungry corrupt and crooked leadership!!
 

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And I live in that same state where since all this covid stuff began I know exactly ONE person who has tested positive and this is a morbidly obese (over 400 pounds) man who has been in poor health for years and he never got sick or felt any of the symptoms from it.

My best friend from high school is my personal physician and my nephew is also a doctor and both of them believe that the covid numbers have been a bit inflated.........like the young man who was admitted to a hospital in New York with four gunshot wounds and later died. Cause of death that was listed?..........................you guessed it......................COVID19!!

So maybe you should try to avoid judging people's "selfish indifference" or maybe it could be that even in crazy times such as these that people are just plain tired of power hungry corrupt and crooked leadership!!
Well, your vague conspiracy theory which is based on your own subjective, localised experience of a pandemic that has affected 90% of the global population in some form is certainly a proper substitute for actual scientific evidence and analysis.
 

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Do you think any of those jobs are going to come back with only 20,000 in the Dome?

The economy and those jobs aren't coming back until there is a vaccine. Regardless of if you let people in games or not, people are not going to risk going out in large enough numbers, nor do they have the money to go out in large enough numbers in a depressed economy, to bring back jobs or fix the economy.
You're wrong. This isn't an all or nothing proposition. No, I don't think 20000 people will bring things back to October 2019 levels. But will 20000 people allow some people to go back to work? Absolutely. Will it allow some restaurants to bring back some employees? No doubt. You have to start somewhere. We have no guarantee of a vaccine and even then we've been told things will not go back to 'normal'. If people aren't going to go out for fear of Covid, fine. That's their choice and I support that decision as long as it is theirs to make.
 

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Well, your vague conspiracy theory which is based on your own subjective, localised experience of a pandemic that has affected 90% of the global population in some form is certainly a proper substitute for actual scientific evidence and analysis.
It's not a conspiracy theory when people are getting fed up with getting treated like they can't learn or can't adapt and can't do the simple things that need to be done to take care of themselves.

People are resilient and can do all of those things. It is also very convenient that all this happened in an election year.

It's obvious that we don't agree and I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you so we'll leave things as they are.

WHO DAT!!!
 

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I'm really surprised to hear Saints fans willing to risk the well being of the majority of people so that a sport that has become about as real as the WWE can be played. I love the Saints, but the past 3 years have shown me the place it should have in folk's lives. But carry on....✌
No one would be forced to go if fans are ALLOWED. If someone feels their well being is at risk they can stay home, but why should everyone who feels safe with the precautions outlined by the CDC and backed by SCIENCE, not get to enjoy life?
 

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Not an equitable comparison? You're right. 38,000 people die annually on American roads. 220,000 have died in the seven-month period since March from COVID-19.
That's a captivating stat and story line that sadly far too many people have bought since March, but having COVID-19 when you die is decidedly different than dying from it. Believe what you want, but according to data from the CDC and countless health care professionals being censored across the nation, COVID-19 still has a ways to go in order to catch up to automobile deaths.

P.S. - you are definitely virtue signaling.
 

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And I live in that same state where since all this covid stuff began I know exactly ONE person who has tested positive and this is a morbidly obese (over 400 pounds) man who has been in poor health for years and he never got sick or felt any of the symptoms from it.

My best friend from high school is my personal physician and my nephew is also a doctor and both of them believe that the covid numbers have been a bit inflated.........like the young man who was admitted to a hospital in New York with four gunshot wounds and later died. Cause of death that was listed?..........................you guessed it......................COVID19!!

So maybe you should try to avoid judging people's "selfish indifference" or maybe it could be that even in crazy times such as these that people are just plain tired of power hungry corrupt and crooked leadership!!

The entirety of Orleans parish has suffered ~500 total deaths due to COVID. Even if that number is 100% accurate, why is that kid acting like we're talking about the Black Plague? Can he tell us how many of those deaths were from "selfish indulgence"? Nope.

Any death is tragic of course, but it sure seems like the response to this thing is destroying far more lives than the virus itself! Is Mr Goodie Goodie virtue going to open his home to all the people put out on the streets? Of course not.

But he thinks he's better than you and me, because like sooooo many others, he can get on his keyboard and be a Karen and tell us that we're horrible terrible no-good people because we don't think it's sustainable to lock down and do nothing for - well - apparently an indefinite period of time. Jobs? F em! Kids going to school? F em! Small businesses closing by the tens of thousands? F em! Just got evicted? F you! But he's our moral superiors, he's just so so caring and concerned for others you see.
 

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That's a captivating stat and story line that sadly far too many people have bought since March, but having COVID-19 when you die is decidedly different than dying from it. Believe what you want, but according to data from the CDC and countless health care professionals being censored across the nation, COVID-19 still has a ways to go in order to catch up to automobile deaths.

P.S. - you are definitely virtue signaling.
I don't know about the death count, but I can definitely say the testing has been so freaking bogus the case-count is blown out of all rational proportion. To bring this back on topic not even the Saints - a billion dollar organization - could get an accurate COVID test. We almost had a game postponed because of a false positive.
 

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Well, your vague conspiracy theory which is based on your own subjective, localised experience of a pandemic that has affected 90% of the global population in some form is certainly a proper substitute for actual scientific evidence and analysis.
Thank you for at least admitting that our reaction has been more more reaching and damaging than the virus itself, because nowhere even in the same area code of 90% of the globe has been infected with COVID-19. On the other hand, since we're tossing out speculative numbers, probably closer to 100% of the globe has been damaged by our continued overreaction. People are a much bigger problem than COVID-19, amongst other things.
 

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No one would be forced to go if fans are ALLOWED. If someone feels their well being is at risk they can stay home, but why should everyone who feels safe with the precautions outlined by the CDC and backed by SCIENCE, not get to enjoy life?
Because when you are finished "enjoying" your life you will visit the supermarket and other places and possibly expose others.
 

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Because when you are finished "enjoying" your life you will visit the supermarket and other places and possibly expose others.
Right - where people are already catching COVID-19, influenza, common cold, and goodness knows what else when they sit on those nasty toilet seats in the restroom stalls.

And before you go there: if you have an internet connection (and clearly you do) it's not really necessary for you to even go into a supermarket anymore, or most department stores.

A question for you: have you dined on-premise at any restaurant since March? Whether indoor or out, you have "enjoyed yourself" in every bit as close in proximity to others as you would at, say, a supermarket or even a football stadium. I know that because I have probably dined on premise at restaurants around 25 times or so in the last 5 months from rural conservative communities to some of the more liberal enclaves in CA. They're all patronized by people "enjoying themselves" in pretty close proximity to others for reasons no more or less important than attending football games. How dare we!
 
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