Men arrested in Michigan after confronting police in body armor and ski masks (1 Viewer)

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"Two men wearing body armor and carrying firearms and cameras were arrested Sunday at a Michigan police headquarters in a confrontation livestreamed on the internet.

Dearborn police said that one of the men wore a ski mask and they initially refused to drop the weapons.

James Baker, 24, of Leonard, and Brandon Vreeland, 40, of Jackson, face charges including breaching the peace and failure to cooperate with police. Both men were free on bond."

Vreeland tells the Detroit Free Press state law allows them to openly carry legally owned weapons. He said they "audit police to see how well they honor the Constitution and people's rights."

I didn't see where this fit into an existing thread, but found this interesting. Is what they did okay? What do the open carry proponents think?

My opinion is that this seems way too, well, too vigilante-esque for me. I think the body armor and ski mask make it seem that they were looking for a confrontation rather than an "audit".

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Im pro gun rights but this IMHO is way overboard. These two are looking to be a victim and make a name for themselves.
 

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Last night, my wife and I were walking our dogs through our neighborhood. As we passed one of the newer houses, a very large (over 100 lb) pitbull mix came charging at us with mean intentions. He stopped at the edge of the yard, but it was still pretty scary especially since we didn't know if he was going to stop at all. I guess he has an invisible fence. Both of our dogs are rescues and are some sort of pitbull mixes. Just because it's legal to have an invisible fence, doesn't mean you're doing the pitbull cause any favors by allowing him to charge everyone that walks by. In fact you're feeding into the bad reputation they are trying to break. Don't give the law abiding gun owners a bad rep by doing something stupid like this.

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You should do a search on YouTube. Lots of videos where people are challenging the police.
It shows some incompetent cops but I think it will end very poorly for someone sooner or later.
 

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Unfortunately some gun owners are idiots. I usually have a gun with me usually nobody knows.
 

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Not really trying to start anything here, but if this had been a couple of black guys and they'd gotten gunned down based on the perceived threat, there would have been a lot of cheering 'round various parts of the country.
 
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I feel bad for police officers sometimes. I know there are bad ones, but the majority who are trying to do a good job are getting it from both sides now. What would possess these two knuckleheads that it's up to them to "audit" the police armed and with ski mask?
 

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I feel bad for police officers sometimes. I know there are bad ones, but the majority who are trying to do a good job are getting it from both sides now. What would possess these two knuckleheads that it's up to them to "audit" the police armed and with ski mask?
They're stupidly pushing the envelope in order to show that they're rights were violated, and creating a dangerous situation for themselves, the police, and by-standers.
 
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They're stupidly pushing the envelope in order to show that they're rights were violated, and creating a dangerous situation for themselves, the police, and by-standers.
And imagine for a moment if they were of Arabic descent and Muslim.
 

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And imagine for a moment if they were of Arabic descent and Muslim.
You'll get no argument from me that there are serious race issues in this country. I speak from the only perspective I can, middle aged white guy.
 
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You'll get no argument from me that there are serious race issues in this country. I speak from the only perspective I can, middle aged white guy.
My comment was not directed at you, but more of riffing of of you. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of the situation as well. There would have been a rush to label the incident as Islamic terrorism and further proof that Muslims are at war with us if the men were Muslims. Since the two are white, then it's just a couple of stupid white guys.
 

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My comment was not directed at you, but more of riffing of of you. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of the situation as well. There would have been a rush to label the incident as Islamic terrorism and further proof that Muslims are at war with us if the men were Muslims. Since the two are white, then it's just a couple of stupid white guys.
It's the world we live in, but it's better than it was 10,20,30 yrs ago. There are black families that go to my shooting range. One of my black neighbors was showing me his new sub compact .45 the other day, right out in the open. A few years ago those things wouldn't happen. Change happens but it's slow.


Edit.. I didn't mean to seem snarky towards you.
 
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It's the world we live in, but it's better than it was 10,20,30 yrs ago. There are black families that go to my shooting range. One of my black neighbors was showing me his new sub compact .45 the other day, right out in the open. A few years ago those things wouldn't happen. Change happens but it's slow.


Edit.. I didn't mean to seem snarky towards you.
I didn't read it as snarky at all. I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was being snarky towards you.

I think it keeps getting better and will continue to. Unfortunately it's not a linear process and we have setbacks like we've been in for a while now. I think we're on the verge of another major leap forward brought about by a resistance to current events.
 

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