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NBC and CNN have called it for Romney. Romney really needed this win after all he invested in the state.

Current results are 37% Romey, 31% McCain, 17% Huckabee, and 6% Paul with 10% reporting.
 
That's funny. The few times that I heard him talk in passing on TV, he was making big promises that he couldn't possibly keep. That gives him a 6 point win in his birth state?

He's doomed...
 
It's too bad for Mitt that Utah doesn't have an early primary.
 
He should have an advantage in the Nevada caucus due to the ~10% Mormon population. SC is currently a three way race and FL is a four way. McCain could've surged ahead with a MI win and gone into super Tuesday with two or three more wins. Now there could be three different victors with a drawn-out nomination battle and increasingly fractured party. Kos must be rejoicing.
 
I don't know if the party is getting fractured....

It seems like the feud between the candidates is heating up but I don't know if its feeding over to the voters. As a registered Republican, it hasn't changed my opinion at all....yet.
 
Could this go all the way to the convention? Huckabee will likely win in South Carolina (I doubt his recent Constitutional wackjob statement will hurt him there) and then ride the wave through Florida (ditto), but that's where it stops. The big states won't vote for him.

Maybe none of the candidates secure enough delegates and the thing has to be brokered?

That would be fun to watch, and I don't mean that in a trainwreck sort of way.
 
Now there could be three different victors with a drawn-out nomination battle and increasingly fractured party. Kos must be rejoicing.

Maybe. But NBC was pointing out that the 1992 Democratic primaries were just as garbled and Clinton emerged to win it all. I wouldn't be surprised at a similar result, especially if Hillary wins nomination among the Democrats. I would like to see Thompson win South Carolina and Rudy win in Florida, so it will be really messed up going into Feb. 5. :ezbill:
 
That's funny. The few times that I heard him talk in passing on TV, he was making big promises that he couldn't possibly keep. That gives him a 6 point win in his birth state?

He's doomed...


My feelings exactly. Yesterday it was the "federal dollars to bail out the car industry" that caught my attention. I sure hope he is doomed.
 
The worst possible scenario would be Clinton vs Romney for the election.

Since it is the worst possible scenario it will be the one that is most likely to happen. People are stupid.
 
>>The worst possible scenario would be Clinton vs Romney for the election.

Actually that wouldn't be a bad scenario for independents (except in as much as I will not vote for Romney and 99% won't vote for Hillary). Cue Independent Runs - Bloomberg probably.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/nyregion/16bloomberg.html?ref=nyregion


Unity '08 who was looking to draft a Democrat/Republican "Unity Ticket" is now behind Bloomberg as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/15/politics/horserace/entry3717723.shtml

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Actually, that's also what the Republican base is hoping for.. a Clinton nomination will assure that a Republican will be elected president.

And Hillary has the nomination locked up... take it to the bank. She has the money and the ability to get the vote out for her.
 
>>a Clinton nomination will assure that a Republican will be elected president.

While no doubt, Hillary would run a far better Administration than anything we've seen since, uh, well Bill was president, don't be so sure. There are millions of Americans who will not vote for Hillary (and not just your usual hate-washed victims of the VRWC). There have to be an equal number of Americans who will not vote for Romney. No way in hell that guy gets my vote for anything. I don't like his ridiculously slick facade or message, and the fact that he's remade his "image" and his very policies to play to the dumbed down nature of the American electorate x'd him off my list before anyone else but Tancredo was off of it. Hillary's best move if she is the nominee as you suggest would be to add Obama (or another African American who is not particularly polarizing) on as VP to keep up the momentum among the youth and the black voters. They've already brought her to Jekyl Island so don't automatically assume that just because you and I will not vote for her that she won't get a record number of votes. At the same time, a Romney v. Hillary general election (assuming no energized independent run) could turn off a lot of voters who decide to stay home. You never know...

TPS
 
Actually, that's also what the Republican base is hoping for.. a Clinton nomination will assure that a Republican will be elected president.

And Hillary has the nomination locked up... take it to the bank. She has the money and the ability to get the vote out for her.

only if Dems vote against their party so as not to vote for Hillary, and all Reps vote Rep - there maybe some that choose not to vote due to the choices.

if its Romney is the Rep. candidate that puts those who see his religious affiliations as a reason not to vote for him left with no vote or a vote for a non-Mormon

"Hillary's best move if she is the nominee as you suggest would be to add Obama (or another African American who is not particularly polarizing) on as VP" - many feel the Clintons are the best political candidate for African Americans

- though you make a good point as to who the VP candidates will be across the board - as it seems none of the top candidates want to be VP, though that maybe the best way to win in 2016 (assuming the next president goes 2 terms).

has there ever been a case where the 2 top candidates teamed up after the nomination?
 
If McCain gets the nod then he beats Clinton or Obama

If Huckabee gets the nod then Clinton wins, and Obama might

If Romney gets the nod then Clinton and Obama have a decent shot

If Giulliani wins then he beats both

If Thompson wins then I think he wins against both, but it would be tight.

The problem with Clinton and Obama is that they do not change the electoral map. Democrats have to spend more resources in "blue states" than Republicans have to spend in "red states" because the margin is much less in the blue states.
 
>>has there ever been a case where the 2 top candidates teamed up after the nomination?

1980 GOP and 1992 Democrat without looking at who the actual "top" candidates were. And possibly 2004 (can't remember if Kerry and Edwards were the actual top 2 or not). There are probably others.

>>The problem with Clinton and Obama is that they do not change the electoral map. Democrats have to spend more resources in "blue states" than Republicans have to spend in "red states" because the margin is much less in the blue states.

I'm not so sure. Depending on who is out there for the democrats, this election very well could be won in the now-called purple states. Don't assume Ohio will stay red anymore based on the GOP ethics issues. Virginia probably will, but could be slightly in play. IMHO, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Arizona, New Mexico (maybe), Arkansas, West Virginia, possibly Indiana (probably not), Virginia, Colorado, Missouri and Nevada are where this election will be won or lost. Guiliani has the ability to draw from any of these states, and like you said, make other "blue" states at least competitive.

It could be an interesting election and might break most starkly based on age or gender depending on who wins the respective nominations.

TPS
 

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