Milestone Reached - 4,000 Dead Americans in Iraq. (1 Viewer)

[UK SAINTS]

Looks as though the Silverstein video has been pulled as well , it was working a few minutes ago . ?

Quick, leave wherever you are and do you best to change your identity!

Good luck!

 

[1yearOlder]

Quick, leave wherever you are and do you best to change your identity!

Good luck!

Is this sincere ?

 

[RebSaint]

I guess what is really "silly" if for me to simply go round in this circular logic that you keep stating. You could do a simple search of this thread and see my points relating to your views (but apparently you'd rather just post links to other sites).

No, actually it would be deductive reasoning rather than circular logic.

There's no reason left to continue the occupation, if the war was indeed about taking out AQ in Iraq, getting rid of an evil dictator, establishing a working government in Iraq, which included arrming and training a military and police force. Wouldn't basic logic pretty much necessitate one to ask the simple question why the United States is still in Iraq, or why the administration having logically achieved these stated objectives, begin standing down, as promised?

I guess I'll just provide you with another link. One of the key "political benchmarks" which the administration laid out with the onset of the surge includes the oil law.

Measuring the Benchmarks: Equitable Distribution of Iraqs Oil Resources | National Security Network

Of course, there are other political "benchmarks" which the Iraqis have failed to meet. Translation: Iraqi soverignty and these political deals are based on American "demands" on what politically should happen in Iraq--and oil plays a part in the political "solution" in Iraq.

The United States has done all it can from a military standpoint; it's up to the Iraqis to work these issues out and some support a blank check and a completely open-ended commitment in this regard.

And regarding the Reason D' etre for the invasion. Here's Paul Wolfowitz himself even before various government officials concluded there were no WMDs, Hussein was still living in a hole, and there wasn't any such thing as Al-Queda Iraq.

“The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but… We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.”
- Paul Wolfowitz, 3/23/03"

 

[1yearOlder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

There it is .

 

[lazybones]

No, actually it would be deductive reasoning rather than circular logic.

There's no reason left to continue the occupation, if the war was indeed about taking out AQ in Iraq, getting rid of an evil dictator, establishing a working government in Iraq, which included arrming and training a military and police force. Wouldn't basic logic pretty much necessitate one to ask the simple question why the United States is still in Iraq, or why the administration having logically achieved these stated objectives, begin standing down, as promised?

I guess I'll just provide you with another link. One of the key "political benchmarks" which the administration laid out with the onset of the surge includes the oil law.

Measuring the Benchmarks: Equitable Distribution of Iraqs Oil Resources | National Security Network

Of course, there are other political "benchmarks" which the Iraqis have failed to meet. Translation: Iraqi soverignty and these political deals are based on American "demands" on what politically should happen in Iraq--and oil plays a part in the political "solution" in Iraq.

The United States has done all it can from a military standpoint; it's up to the Iraqis to work these issues out and some support a blank check and a completely open-ended commitment in this regard.

And regarding the Reason D' etre for the invasion. Here's Paul Wolfowitz himself even before various government officials concluded there were no WMDs, Hussein was still living in a hole, and there wasn't any such thing as Al-Queda Iraq.

“The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but… We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.”
- Paul Wolfowitz, 3/23/03"

As far as the oil. If we were there for the oil, why are we not using it? When are we going to see us exploit these resources. If Bush was doing it for Haliburton, when are they going to capitalize on their investment. What a gp that would be. Free oil at 3.25 per gallon.


You are pulling quotes as far as the WMD and Al-Queda in Iraq. Why don't they call them Al-queda in vietnam??

If we leave, the middle east can become very unstable because mainly influence from Iran. Why are we still in Germany? It is called looking out for the safety of our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren.

Let the 4 star generals direct us on pulling out. They are the specialist.

 

[UK SAINTS]

Is this sincere ?

No.

But stay away from youtube

 

[UK SAINTS]

As far as the oil. If we were there for the oil, why are we not using it? When are we going to see us exploit these resources. If Bush was doing it for Haliburton, when are they going to capitalize on their investment. What a gp that would be. Free oil at 3.25 per gallon.


You are pulling quotes as far as the WMD and Al-Queda in Iraq. Why don't they call them Al-queda in vietnam??

If we leave, the middle east can become very unstable because mainly influence from Iran. Why are we still in Germany? It is called looking out for the safety of our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren.

Let the 4 star generals direct us on pulling out. They are the specialist.

Link?

just kidding

 

[1yearOlder]

Well so far , I've had one ad hominem attack ,

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon ." - Saul Alinski .

and some sarcasm , but no critical thinking .

I guess this is as good as it gets ?

 

[RebSaint]

As far as the oil. If we were there for the oil, why are we not using it? When are we going to see us exploit these resources. If Bush was doing it for Haliburton, when are they going to capitalize on their investment. What a gp that would be. Free oil at 3.25 per gallon.

Hence the reason to continue the occupation. U.S. oil companies are lining up; the only impediment is the Iraqi oil law, which ostensibly will give the Iraqi government their fair share; the agreement is about who gets what, the terms of operation, etc.

Foreign Policy in Focus - A Think Tank Without Walls
Chevron reportedly in talks to tap Iraq's oil
Whose Oil Is It, Anyway? - New York Times
Analysis: Oil and Gas Pipeline Watch - UPI.com

The Kurds have already cut their own seperate deal.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Analysis_Kurd_oil_law_drives_Iraq_oil_999.html

You are pulling quotes as far as the WMD and Al-Queda in Iraq. Why don't they call them Al-queda in vietnam??

I simply don't understand this point.

If we leave, the middle east can become very unstable because mainly influence from Iran. Why are we still in Germany? It is called looking out for the safety of our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren.

Again, I fail to see how footing the bill for large oil companies to line their pockets and continue the disasterous policy of dependency on foreign oil as ensuring the safety for anybody.

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Let the 4 star generals direct us on pulling out. They are the specialist.

Plenty of Generals have spoken out against the current policy. Further, four star generals don't make foreign policy, the president and congress do; generals merely carry out larger foreign policy initiatives and don't make foriegn policy.