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Very interesting article from Albert Breer.
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As ever, the ultimate key is in coaching across all three phases and keeping the defense and running game up to snuff. Long stretches of failure to do the latter across the career span of Drew Brees is why there was not another appearance in Super Bowl (or three).Nice post. I do think Payton knows this is a definitive moment in his career: defining himself as a great coach without Drew. I really can't think of any coach that has successfully transitioned from a HOF caliber QB to another QB while maintaining the same coaching job.
Exactly, a good running game and top-notch D is the secret to a successful transition. That's why I'm not too big on a rook starting this year, with a playoff roster we just need stability at the QB position. I think both Taysom and Jameis are capable of that.As ever, the ultimate key is in coaching across all three phases and keeping the defense and running game up to snuff. Long stretches of failure to do the latter across the career span of Drew Brees is why there was not another appearance in Super Bowl (or three).
It's extremely unlikely he will ever see the same kind of mastery out of a QB again, so he has to lean on other players and other units. If he tries to do it all with his offense and his playcalling it's going to go sideways.
Does he really get credit for that? It was the house that Bill Walsh built and Seifert was the long-time D coordinator if I recall. It's kinda like Barry Switzer in Dallas after Jimmy.George Seifert from Montana to Young. Or did he start as head coach the first year with young?
That said, part of planning ahead for Brees’s departure, from the start, was having potential successors in-house before Brees reached for his coat and started heading for the door. That way, everyone knows what they’re getting themselves into and, as Payton said, there are guys competing for the job who aren’t starting from zero—and are still in New Orleans because it’s where they want to be.
George Seifert from Montana to Young. Or did he start as head coach the first year with young?
In this line of thinking, I think people are getting too hung up on the need to have a franchise QB right away. I appreciate what Payton is saying in this article: the team didn´t revolve around Drew Brees the past two years. The reason I´m optimistic about Winston as a starting QB, and the Saints chances in the next year or so, is that there´s a real possibility that he´ll be a better QB than 2019-2020 Drew Brees. Brees used to carry the franchise, but that wasn´t the case the past two or three years.To me Payton has proven he can win and be great without Drew. The trick is will he be patient and run with what works or will he get bored with that. If he can learn to exercise patience and make the other trip up first, Payton will elevate to that very top tier of coaches.
Well Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with 3 different quartbacks: Joe Theismann (XVII), Doug Williams (XXII) and Mark Rypien (XXVI). And Bill Parcells also won two Superbowls with two different quarterbacks with the Gaints: Phil Simms (XXI) and Jeff Hostetler (XXV).Started brainstorming names of coaches to myself just to see how each HOF coach went on with their job after their HOF QB retired....yeah, this is intended for my Gen-X or older crowd.....
--Don Shula had Bob Griese for a long time, then a short stint with David Woodley before Marino fell in his lap after the Steelers passed on him earlier in the first round in '83. He wasn't fortunate enough to win another SB with Marino, but I don't think he'd have become the league's all-time winningest coach without a second HOF QB under center.
--Chuck Noll had Terry Bradshaw for a long time, though it's always said it was the Steel Curtain defense that keyed his coaching career. He went through some journeymen QB's the rest of his Steelers career after they passed on Marino (Stoudt, Malone, Brister, some others I can't remember). Never made it back to the big game with 'em.
--Mike Shanahan......hmmm.....two SB rings as a coach at the tail end of Elway's career, then fell off the map without him. Is he a HOF coach with those two rings? Is it enough?
--Bill Belichick and Mike McCarthy.....two guys for whose post-(likely) HOF QB days are still being written. Time will tell if they can win even one ring with simply average QBs under center.
Well Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with 3 different quartbacks: Joe Theismann (XVII), Doug Williams (XXII) and Mark Rypien (XXVI). And Bill Parcells also won two Superbowls with two different quarterbacks with the Gaints: Phil Simms (XXI) and Jeff Hostetler (XXV).
I know Doug Williams is the only quarterback that's in the hall of fame.
I don't understand how Gibbs accomplishments in the 80's in the NFL are any different than they are now. The game hasn't changed that much from now.Gibbs’ accomplishments in the ‘80s stand alone and apart from the others. Gibbs didn’t have the same QB for an extended period, especially after Theismann’s career ending broken leg. Also, Theismann isn’t in the pro HOF. He’s only in the college HOF.
As for Parcells’ Giants, Hoss was one of Simms’ backups. Stepped in late in 1990 when Simms was injured. Different situation there.
In this line of thinking, I think people are getting too hung up on the need to have a franchise QB right away. I appreciate what Payton is saying in this article: the team didn´t revolve around Drew Brees the past two years. The reason I´m optimistic about Winston as a starting QB, and the Saints chances in the next year or so, is that there´s a real possibility that he´ll be a better QB than 2019-2020 Drew Brees. Brees used to carry the franchise, but that wasn´t the case the past two or three years.