n/s Could the Raiders start a coaching trend ? (1 Viewer)

[DCSaints_Fan]

Cowher, possibly

Coughlin is like 85 years old

Shanahan is also getting up there

Brian Billick was an offensive specialist whose Ravens' teams won on the backs of a defense. Kind of like Gruden I suppose. But Gruden did do some good work with Rich Gannon on the Raiders before he became Tampa's head coach. I think Gruden has a ceiling though unless his team also has a great defense and an FO gives him a good QB. He wasn't good at picking the QBs on his own.

Steve Marriucci , Jim Fassel and Jeff Fischer didn't win Superbowls, though Fassel and Fisher did get to one. Their teams also didn't sustain success. So not exactly comparable

 

[Saint Kamara]

They're 5-4 with one of the more talented teams in the league. I'm not sure they've proven anything worth copying yet.

Yeah nobody at the beginning of this season (or now, for that matter) was saying "Man those raiders certainly have one of the more talented rosters in the NFL".

Give Gruden a little more credit than that.

 

[saveFerris9]

It has been reported that Mike Shannahan was very close to returning to the Broncos a year or 2 ago . Jim Fassel had some success and was never given another opportunity . Same for Brian Billick who beat Fassel in the super bowl . Bill Cowher has never closed the door as he would say . Steve Marriucci was good in San Fran but got stuck in Detroit with Matt Millan calling the shots as GM so I can give him a pass . Jim Mora Jr is another that had success at Atlanta but was one and done in Seattle because they wanted Carroll . I would throw in Tony Dungy but he does not seem to want to coach again .

 

[BoNcHiE]

Yeah nobody at the beginning of this season (or now, for that matter) was saying "Man those raiders certainly have one of the more talented rosters in the NFL".

Give Gruden a little more credit than that.

He gets credit for being 5-4. I don't think there's going to be a rush on hiring coaches who have been out the game for 10 years over that. Just my opinion.

 

[No2DC]

Na, I don't so because of money. It is is cheaper to go with a up an upcoming coordinator financially and control wise. A young guy will take just about any job(remember even SP said we weren't his fist choice) because there are so few openings, and they will not ask for front office control. Gruden got a 10 deal and full roster control, which was unheard of. Plus, I don't think the basic principles of successful have changed: control the trenches, have a balanced O, and stop the run on D. That's what the traditionalist talk about, and the good young coaches know it. Outside of Bill, the most successful coaches over the past 10 years plus, who are still coaching, were upcoming guys ( Payton and Tomlin in particular).

 

[Saint Kamara]

He gets credit for being 5-4. I don't think there's going to be a rush on hiring coaches who have been out the game for 10 years over that. Just my opinion.

I agree with that.

Continuing with my prior point the game has passed Somebody like Cowher by and no one should consider hiring him at the point.

The Riley guy from Oklahoma will have a much greater chance at being hired. That's the trend.

 

[DaveXA]

He gets credit for being 5-4. I don't think there's going to be a rush on hiring coaches who have been out the game for 10 years over that. Just my opinion.

I tend to agree. I think they're middle of the road on talent. The record reflects that to some degree. I think 5-4 makes sense.

I think what will tell us a lot about whether the Gruden experiment is worth replicating is if they win games against the best teams. Meaning playoffs. If they get to the AFCCG, then I think GMs will be inclined to consider that sort of coaching strategy.

 

[Zack Lee]

its nothing new. It goes in cycles. For every Dick Vermeil there are 5 Mike Ditkas. So there will always be teams trying it and always those learning from their mistakes.

 

[demented]

The NFL evolves in cycles. If you've got a system that is beginning to take over the majority of the league then there will always be someone who can come in with a counter system and be successful. This is primarily due to the availability of cheap personnel for the counter system. As teams move to smaller and smaller lineman for zone run/RPO/pass blocking then the defender's get smaller and faster to match.

If you can completely blow up a team and start from scratch, then you can find a whole new offensive line of massive power run maulers and big tight ends and big bodied backs that are considering relics/bygones and sign them for pennies. Get the right play book ripped from the this new fangled RPO scheme and complete miss matches across the board and then you'll dominate everyone for a few years until they have to counter it.

The 3-4 defense vs the 4-3 is really the prime example of this trend. Someone invented the 3-4 because it was much easier to find stud personnel for that configuration because they were the cast offs from the 4-3 style. The 3-4 got popular and more than 1/2 of the league adopted it and then suddenly it was easier to find 4-3 guys again and the trend reversed. The NFL will always come down to what type of guys you can afford/have access to not really some magical scheme. The players make the scheme, the scheme doesn't make the players.