N/S Where do you see Cam and Jameis ending up? (1 Viewer)

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Taking personal prejudices aside, these two guys are going to be had with little to no risk and both have a high ceiling.

Cam is a big question mark because of his health but he is worth taking a chance on.

Jameis is still very young and obviously has talent. A good offensive mind might see the challenge of turning him around being worth it.

Would you rather have Dalton over one of these two? I wouldn't. Dalton is a known, average commodity. Cam and Jameis at least have the potential to be something more.
 

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So throwing for 5,000 yards and 30+ TD's doesn't qualify as good?
no, not when you give the other team almost 2 extra possesions a game. thats awful! you cant just pick and choose stats to make a player look better. when you throw as many interceptions as touchdowns you are not good by any standard.
 

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no, not when you give the other team almost 2 extra possesions a game. thats awful! you cant just pick and choose stats to make a player look better. when you throw as many interceptions as touchdowns you are not good by any standard.
Reading is fundamental. Clearly you should go back and read exactly what I said from the beginning.

So by your standards Brett Farve is garbage. Got it. Maybe Indy should've traded Peyton Manning in 2001 when he threw over 20+ INT's by your standards SMH & LMAO
 

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Reading is fundamental. Clearly you should go back and read exactly what I said from the beginning.

So by your standards Brett Farve is garbage. Got it. SMH & LMAO
Winston isn't even in the same universe as Favre first of all and secondly Favre and his gun-slinging is the main reason the saints have a super bowl.....
 

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Winston isn't even in the same universe as Favre first of all and secondly Favre and his gun-slinging is the main reason the saints have a super bowl.....
But....but.....but the turnovers. More ridiculousness.

The Saints are the main reason the Saints have a Super Bowl.
 

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Farve was not trying to eat his fingers before games. While his play style may have been sort of similar to Jameis, his demeanor and intelect were significantly more suited to success in the nfl.
The only things that make Jameis a bad QB is turnovers. I believe that's coachable. other than that he has the physical tools. He went from leading kids to needing to learn how to lead men. I dont think he was ever shown and I would accept him on this team because he would get the chance to finally see how it's supposed to be done. I think he can be really good if coached properly and consistently.
 

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Los, someone should have told John Elway that because throughout most, at least in the 1980s Broncos part of his career, many of those great comebacks, last-second, heart-stopping wins he pulled off for Denver to send them to 3 SB's was largely due to his mobility and his powerful arm. Most fans today aren't aware of just how dangerous Elway was as a mobile QB the first 6-7 years of his career in Denver. Sure, he had good defenses, but they were complimentary pieces to the puzzle explaining Denver winning 3 AFCCG's in 4 years in mid-late 80s.

Steve Young disagrees, so does Fran Tarkenton and both of them played in and one of them (Young) won SBs. Both legendary QBs played well into their late 30s in an era where it was almost unheard of. Both men are in the Hall of Fame.

Roger Staubach says hi, too. Warren Moon gives his regards as well. Moon wasn't some insane Flutie-esque scrambler but he was a very mobile QB certainly capable of making things happen with his legs in college at Washington, the CFL's Edmonton Eskimos, and early on with the Houston Oilers. Both of these former starting QBs are also in the Hall of Fame.

Randall Cunningham would like to have a word with you, too. He won a few MVP awards in his time for his Micheal Vick prototype superstar athleticism in Philly for nearly a decade.

JMHO, I think it's plausible that Cam's issues may have as much to do with losing a bit of his psychological edge and some of his intensity after he and Carolina got their respective arses kicked by Denver in SB 50. I agree the nagging shoulder problems and Lis Franc injury last year exarcebated situations, but I truly believe Cam's self-confidence, esteem, inner-drive was seriously damaged after that loss and it trickled down to the team as a whole. Also, when Carolina drafted Christian McCaffrey and he emerged as this powerful dual-threat RB, the focus and direction of the offense was shifted away from him and gradually he lost some of the main focus for the first time in his entire career with the Panthers.

There were numerous moments this season where I witnessed Panthers
offense operating and executing arguably more efficiently without Cam that if they had had a Garropollo or Matthew Stafford-esque veteran QB at the helm, they might've won more games than with an untested career backup in Kyle Allen.
Cam Newton was essentially the go to goal line back for his team for the first five years of his career. That had to be more of a beating than any mobile QB in history. Those QB’s you mentioned are actually great overall QB’s, so they had sustainability. Cam Newton is great for his running ability IMO. He’s an OK passer who can make a great throw here or there, but so are many QB’s who end up being back-ups.
 

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The only things that make Jameis a bad QB is turnovers. I believe that's coachable. other than that he has the physical tools. He went from leading kids to needing to learn how to lead men. I dont think he was ever shown and I would accept him on this team because he would get the chance to finally see how it's supposed to be done. I think he can be really good if coached properly and consistently.
I don't agree with you here. Interceptions is only a symptom of what is wrong with Jameis. The actual problem is that he is very bad at making decisions. When faced with two possible decisions one of which offers instant gratification (take a long shot downfield, or grab an Uber driver by the crotch) and one which has no apparent immediate upside (throw the ball away on third down, tell the uber driver you think she is hot and would like her number) Jameis is always choosing the first option. Saying interceptions is his only problem is like saying the only problem with Jeffrey Dahmer is that he killed a lot of people. Sure it is the most glaring issue at hand, but it isn't the problem itself.
 

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I don't agree with you here. Interceptions is only a symptom of what is wrong with Jameis. The actual problem is that he is very bad at making decisions. When faced with two possible decisions one of which offers instant gratification (take a long shot downfield, or grab an Uber driver by the crotch) and one which has no apparent immediate upside (throw the ball away on third down, tell the uber driver you think she is hot and would like her number) Jameis is always choosing the first option. Saying interceptions is his only problem is like saying the only problem with Jeffrey Dahmer is that he killed a lot of people. Sure it is the most glaring issue at hand, but it isn't the problem itself.
Regardless it's a coachable trait. Just like he no longer steals crab legs or gropes Uber drivers, he can learn to throw the ball away. Interceptions can be misleading as well. Sometimes the ball bounces off of a receiver's hands, receivers run the wrong routes or don't fight for the ball, and sometimes it's 4th and 15 and you have to throw it regardless of what you see or the game is over anyway. I've seen Drew fall victim to all of these scenarios also.

Bottom line is that untalented QB's don't throw for 5,000 yards and 33 TD's. Ever. It's only happened 12 times in 100 years. If he lands with the right coach he can be good. At least I believe so.
 

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Regardless it's a coachable trait. Just like he no longer steals crab legs or gropes Uber drivers, he can learn to throw the ball away. Interceptions can be misleading as well. Sometimes the ball bounces off of a receiver's hands, receivers run the wrong routes or don't fight for the ball, and sometimes it's 4th and 15 and you have to throw it regardless of what you see or the game is over anyway. I've seen Drew fall victim to all of these scenarios also.

Bottom line is that untalented QB's don't throw for 5,000 yards and 33 TD's. Ever. It's only happened 12 times in 100 years. If he lands with the right coach he can be good. At least I believe so.
We'll just have to disagree then. I don't think it is a coach able trait and I believe it will pop up every time he finds himself under significant pressure. Sure, he may get the ints down to 15 next year and make the playoffs, but when he gets to be 10 points down with 9mins left in the 4th he's gonna be taking chances and throwing picks again.

There's been hundreds of very talented QB's that aren't very good at winning football games in tough situations. And Jameis is one of them. The fact that he still hasn't signed suggests to me that most of the NFL coaches don't believe he is coach able either.

Not even the jags want him...
 

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