NFL Network’s Peter Schrager says Sean Payton gave the Saints a pep talk before they beat the Raiders [Edit: Kamara denies report, Schrager apologizes (1 Viewer)

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Hey, maybe Jeremy Shockey( or whoever) can drop in next week for some more motivational pep before the game,each week a new fluff
 
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That is just more mounting evidence that Dennis Allen is the substitute teacher and not a leader of men. Between this and guys on the defense who have very obviously have been making business decisions on whether or not to get their hands dirty with tackling and also continuously be undisciplined.

Look at how bad it is with this team. This was Jameis interview with the media at his locker. A player who is supposed to be your team leader is basically airing the laundry at a locker room interview.

 

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Give rep to this poster above ^^^^^
 

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This is still Payton’s team and that’s a challenge for Allen. People have talked about the loss of CJGJ being a letdown but now that I’m not clouded by optimism, I see that losing a coach like Payton took a lot of wind out of the sails of this team. Really it doesn’t seem like a surprise that they look flat and unmotivated. As much as fans hated Payton leaving, consider the effect it had on the players.
That is a point.... and it is a good point that I hadn't really considered. His stepping down had a HUGE impact on the wind in my sails because it was just a strange way to go IMO. Most teams get the normal "head coach is fired, moves on to a better gig or an old successful coach retires and rides off into the sunset." We get this weird kinda-gone but really still here but I'll be back real soon with someone else thing. It is just plain strange and the type of thing that seems to happen to the Saints. The closest thing to compare it to that I can recall is Dick Vermeil.

If I was in a worse mood I'd call it like it feels. Coach just up and quit on THIS team. It probably has an effect that has to be experienced in the locker room to really understand the impact it has on a team's play.

That said, it falls on Allen to get that under control and make this his team and he hasn't.
 

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The most telling part of the whole thing was, no one else wanted Allen. And I dont buy that he had some gentlemans agreement in place with Loomis. It makes more sense that he have other suitors to either drive up his price, or get the Saints to move quicker. He had 1 interview with another team, Chicago maybe, but it was canceled before it happened - and before the Saints hired Allen.

I think around the league, most higher ups probably though, they really went with that guy huh?
Edit: I misunderstood the comment of no one wanting Allen actually meaning no team wanted him. But the rest still stands.

That's just not true. Allen had his share of supporters. There were more than a handful of posters here who liked the idea of continuity and building on the talent the team already had and thought Winston would perform better than he has.

It's just revisionist history to say no one wanted Allen. I wanted Allen over some of the other coaches interviewed. There were other coaches I wanted, but they either got hired or the Saints didn't interview them. I was thinking Bienemy would be the pick.

I think Allen has been worse than expected and if the team doesn't improve between now and the end of the season, I hope the team moves on from him. I think we've seen enough to know he's not the answer.
 
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That's just not true. Allen had his share of supporters. There were more than a handful of posters here who liked the idea of continuity and building on the talent the team already had and thought Winston would perform better than he has.

It's just revisionist history to say no one wanted Allen. I wanted Allen over some of the other coaches interviewed. There were other coaches I wanted, but they either got hired or the Saints didn't interview them. I was thinking Bienemy would be the pick.

I think Allen has been worse than expected and if the team doesn't improve between now and the end of the season, I hope the team moves on from him. I think we've seen enough to know he's not the answer.
He meant no other team
 

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That's just not true. Allen had his share of supporters. There were more than a handful of posters here who liked the idea of continuity and building on the talent the team already had and thought Winston would perform better than he has.

It's just revisionist history to say no one wanted Allen.
To be fair I think the point 44slayer was making was that Allen wasn't getting any attention for NFL coaching jobs, not that he wasn't getting any support from fans on this site or in general. I'm not sure if he made a good point or not, but I think that was the point he was making.
 

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So you allow Ciara to come in and flirt with the team, only to set them up with Bhad Bhabie the next following weeks? Make this make sense!!!!
I had to go see what she was about. I remember her from Dr. Phil episode.
 

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I'll look forward to the flood of posters recanting and retracting all the things they decided this bogus news 'proved', then.

#narrative 🙄
 

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Edit: I misunderstood the comment of no one wanting Allen actually meaning no team wanted him. But the rest still stands.

That's just not true. Allen had his share of supporters. There were more than a handful of posters here who liked the idea of continuity and building on the talent the team already had and thought Winston would perform better than he has.

It's just revisionist history to say no one wanted Allen. I wanted Allen over some of the other coaches interviewed. There were other coaches I wanted, but they either got hired or the Saints didn't interview them. I was thinking Bienemy would be the pick.

I think Allen has been worse than expected and if the team doesn't improve between now and the end of the season, I hope the team moves on from him. I think we've seen enough to know he's not the answer.
I disagree with the revisionist part and that many people settled for Allen and bought the continuity rationale. Some posters were very opposed to hiring Allen, one guy got banned, I think. We're just going through the motions at this point, hoping that Loomis doesn't do what we fear the most-give him another year.
 

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I disagree with the revisionist part and that many people settled for Allen and bought the continuity rationale. Some posters were very opposed to hiring Allen, one guy got banned, I think. We're just going through the motions at this point, hoping that Loomis doesn't do what we fear the most-give him another year.
A lot of posters opposed hiring Allen, and posters don't get banned for that reason. They get banned for violating the site TOS.

That said, there were more than a few supporting Allen as well. It is revisionist to say that didn't happen. You can go back and read for yourself, but it's there.

I don't know who's going through the motions, but I don't think firing him at this point helps anything. Wait until the regular season is over and see who's out there before firing Allen. Maybe there's a non-playoff them with a potential HC, or wait until one becomes available after the playoffs.
 

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