NFLPA advising players and agents to prepare for a year long plus lockout. (1 Viewer)

[ilvdsnts]

I feel like the Saints are still in their window of opportunity for a great Super Bowl run. If a lockout screws that up, I won't be happy with the player's association.

We could have 2 more SB wins by then, I'd be OK with that.

 

[superchuck500]

Smith has got to be the worst PA representative ever.

Why do you say that?

 

[Super44]

It's not the players mandating you buy a "seat license" to buy tickets to see your favorite team. It's not players charging you $17 for a beer. It's not the players asking season ticket holders to pay full price on 20% of the schedule for games that don't count.

No, this is about the owners. The players just aren't solid enough to make things right. The owners can gouge them ( and prices) because the PA will cave.

It is not a mandate by the players, but they are the basis and root cause for price increases to tickets, merchandise....etc. If you were a business owner, and you had employees that were leaving for more money, you would attempt to retain those by paying those employees more. Where does the money come from? It would get passed on to the customers, or buyers of your goods.

The owners have all of the risk associated with being an owner of a business. The players just play and earn. So I am on the owners side in most cases.

Players come and go, based on performance. Salaries go up along with the salary cap, regardless. For the most part, the owners are the only common, long standing facet of the entire NFL. The commissioner even comes and goes. The cost of doing business goes up and gets passed on to the fans.

Fans love their teams, regardless of what players are on the roster. If it were not for the owners, there would be need for a commissioner, or players.

I am not a fan of a walkout by the players. If the owners need to find replacements, I’ll still be a fan of my SAINTS!!!

 

[superchuck500]

It is not a mandate by the players, but they are the basis and root cause for price increases to tickets, merchandise....etc. If you were a business owner, and you had employees that were leaving for more money, you would attempt to retain those by paying those employees more. Where does the money come from? It would get passed on to the customers, or buyers of your goods.

The owners have all of the risk associated with being an owner of a business. The players just play and earn. So I am on the owners side in most cases.

Players come and go, based on performance. Salaries go up along with the salary cap, regardless. For the most part, the owners are the only common, long standing facet of the entire NFL. The commissioner even comes and goes. The cost of doing business goes up and gets passed on to the fans.

Fans love their teams, regardless of what players are on the roster. If it were not for the owners, there would be need for a commissioner, or players.

I am not a fan of a walkout by the players. If the owners need to find replacements, I’ll still be a fan of my SAINTS!!!

I think the players position is that they are not typical employees - they are not fungible. They can be replaced to fill a roster but when football is the product and the best players in the world aren’t out there, the consumer (the fan) can see it. A strategy based on replacement players is a fool’s game.

And history has shown that as long as those players are playing in the league, the owners have very little risk at all. In reality, the players hold most of the leverage. The only leverage the owners have is that they have financial resources to outlast the players in an extended stoppage - but that isn’t good for anybody.

It’s a negotiated process that will always be difficult. But because extended stoppage is just bad for everyone, the odds are that a deal will get done. Stoppage is possible for sure, but it will be painful for all involved.

 

[Saintman2884]

Super, it hasn't stopped NFL owners from using replacement players as props to defeat the NFLPA in a work stoppage for 3 weeks during the 1987 season. Sure, the NFL wasn't the modern cultural, sports, and entertainment juggernaut it is now, but even in the 1980's, it had already surpassed MLB in most respects, financially and popularity-wise, by then. You could also argue most of the old guard NFL owners back then were different and more combative and resistant to the player's union then the current crop now. I just know that NFL owners might be willing to use replacement players strategy or at least consider it as an option if their is a possible long-term work stoppage during the next CBA negotiations. Most of the NFL owners have to realize, Super, that the NFLPA despises Goodell, his over-reaching disciplinary authority, his supposed hypocrisy in issuing fines or punishments to players like Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee in the face in a hotel casino elevator. They have to take this account in hearing their demands about curbing some of his authority AND MAKING IT STICK PERMANENTLY.

Super, that ************* Goodell only brought the hammer down on Rice after TMZ embarrassed his sorry arse by showing the full unedited version after the 2013 season was over. The casino's chief of security as well as ex-NFL FO staff have since stated Goodell saw the full unreleased version months before it got leaked and promised action, but never delivered. I believe their version over Goodell, I don't trust him, I despise his existence as a human being. He's a gosh darned liar, that realization was made clear by his handling of the investigation of Bountygate and Tom Brady allegedly deflating those footballs during the 2014 AFCCG vs. Colts. I'm no fan of Brady, but he essentially had to serve a 4-game suspension to begin the 2016 season for a violation most outside experts claim NFL couldn't prove he did and still hasn't proven. I am also by nature not an aggressive, nasty person, although I admit am a bit of a cynic but I will fight, or use any 4-letter, 8 or 10-letter expletives in any verbal confrontations on any Saints fan going easy on Goodell or his transgressions toward this team in the past. It's almost venomous by this point.

 

[oodank]

Players should negotiate for continued health benefits post-career. This is what they really need most especially for those fringe, minimum wage ST types. Costs are only going to keep increasing....

 

[cash1234]

I have always thought that there should be a sliding-scale between the number of years a player has been with his current team and the percentage of his salary that counts against the cap.

Example (and I have not thought through the numbers): Only 90 percent of the contract of a player with seven consecutive years with his current team counts against the team's cap number, with the percentage being lowered 10 percent for each consecutive year the player has been with his current team. At eight years, only 80 percent counts; at nine years, only 70 percent counts; at 10 years, only 60 percent counts, and so on.

What a fantastic idea. I think the percentages are too high, maybe 10% after 7 years and 5% for every year after 7 and cap it at 30%. Regardless, I think incentivizing teams to keep their players longer would be a great thing

 

[You]

This statement by the players assoc must irritate the NFL bigtime. It’s horrible for ticket sales.

The AAF failure looms large. That was their farm league for players to bring in when the strike errupts.

I’ve been through a strike before. It’s ugly but they’ll get through it.

For people that rely on the NFL for corporate entertainment, it’ll hurt worst. Regular Fans will grudgingly watch guys like John Fourcade try to make a mark for himself. It’s actually pretty comical.

I predict an End result of increased ticket prices