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Nobody does fist pumps and gives high fives after their team drafts a combo Center/Guard, but picks like this can pay off for years. Ruiz was the consensus top interior lineman in the draft. While some have questioned the pick, nobody has questioned the player. By all accounts he has Pro Bowl ability. I love the way our line is shaping up for the future. We're going to have a great blend of size and athleticism. These guys are all young so they'll be able to grow and play together for years.

LT - Terron Armstead, 6'5", 304 lbs, 28 years old (2nd Team All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler)

LG - Andrus Peat, 6'7", 315 lbs, 26 years old (2x Pro Bowler)

C - Erik McCoy, 6'4", 303 lbs, 22 years old (All Rookie Team)

RG - Cesar Ruiz , 6'3", 307 lbs, 20 years old or Larry Warford, 6'3", 330 lbs, 28 years old (3x Pro Bowler)

RT - Ryan Ramczyk, 6'6", 313 lbs, 26 years old (First Team All Pro)

Ruiz joins an accomplished unit adding versatility on the field and cap flexibility off the field. If this line can stay healthy they could be the most complete line in the league. This line should make life easier for the next QB.
 

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It will be awesome, we will unload warford, save stacks of $$$$$$, hopefully get back into the 2nd round and grab a LB or WR.

All is good.
 

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The main question I have is are we looking into trading Warford? Are we going to release him?
I'd think maybe we could trade him after the draft but I don't know how much value he has with his cap hit, though I don't know how much is owed and how much is bonuses
 
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I’m kinda thinking we jump back into the second with a 2021 second or third and Warford trade. I’d be okay with this for the right player.
 

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It will be awesome, we will unload warford, save stacks of $$$$$$, hopefully get back into the 2nd round and grab a LB or WR.

All is good.
I’m kinda thinking we jump back into the second with a 2021 second or third and Warford trade. I’d be okay with this for the right player.

I think considering the amount of salary and that he is on his last year of his contract, I think it is highly optimistic that we can get anything higher than a 4th-5th round pick for Warford.

At that point we have to consider what is more valuable to us, to keep him for another year and let him leave as a free agent, or trade a low draft pick this year.

We may get a better (compensatory) pick then what we may get by trading him this year.

Right now, I can see Warford leaving on a trade, only he is used to go up some spots without giving away picks, or using him and a pick to trade up.
 

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I still think Ruiz is going to play center. McCoy's moving to RG. This year or next.
 

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Not having the numbers in front of me, but is there a chance we keep Warford? I know he's getting paid starter money, but late season injuries have plagued our O-line in recent years. Is there some kind of rotation or packages that Warford could be used in and keep him as insurance? Getting rid of Warford would mean we maintain/improve a top O-line, but still have no depth.
 

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Csp uses an extra lineman a good bit. I can see this working to our advantage by keeping warford. Hopefully warfords restructures.
 

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Nice post except the team feels that despite how well McCoy played at Center, Ruiz will be even better so McCoy is going to Guard.
 

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The main question I have is are we looking into trading Warford? Are we going to release him?
That is a question I posed about a week ago, thinking we could even draft a guy like Ruiz (response to a thread discussing surprise pick potential). My point then, and its real now, is if we did pick a guy like Ruiz then that wold seem to indicate that Warford was gone. For me I now believe we will try everything to get him off the books via a trade and if that doesn't work then cut him prior to camp. Sadly I don't see us getting more than a 4th and more likely a 5tyh round choice, but we will be getting rid of his high cap numbers. Hope we see something transpire during the draft so we can get another pick to tinker with this year!
 

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Not having the numbers in front of me, but is there a chance we keep Warford? I know he's getting paid starter money, but late season injuries have plagued our O-line in recent years. Is there some kind of rotation or packages that Warford could be used in and keep him as insurance? Getting rid of Warford would mean we maintain/improve a top O-line, but still have no depth.
My initial reaction was “trade or release Warford” to save some cap space; however, the more I think about it, the line depth in Brees’ possible (probable?) final season is probably even more valuable. Even if it’s just a game or two at a time (God forbid more serious time away), linemen go down sometimes. We’ve seen how critical interior line stoutness is for Brees.
 

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I think considering the amount of salary and that he is on his last year of his contract, I think it is highly optimistic that we can get anything higher than a 4th-5th round pick for Warford.

At that point we have to consider what is more valuable to us, to keep him for another year and let him leave as a free agent, or trade a low draft pick this year.

We may get a better (compensatory) pick then what we may get by trading him this year.

Right now, I can see Warford leaving on a trade, only he is used to go up some spots without giving away picks, or using him and a pick to trade up.
This is probably a good application of conventional wisdom under the old CBA, but the new CBA suggests a new line of thinking may be better. Under the old CBA, you could get a late compensatory pick for a player who got not much more than the veterans' minimum. You can't, now. Looking at who is slated to get the picks, no one making much less than $4 million a year is going to get anything. The best case scenario I see for Warford is that he would get a deal averaging $7.5 to $10 million a year. That currently nets a fifth round pick.

But that's not in this year's draft, nor is it in next year's. It's two drafts after this one. And if you go by the conventional wisdom of discounting a draft pick one round per year, a fifth rounder two years from now is worth only a seventh rounder today.

Also, in order to get this pick, the Saints are going to have to be net losers in free agency, which as we all know, is not something they like to do, but they kind of had to this year, because of the cap. That might well be the case next year because of who we have to re-sign, but it might not. I don't think the Saints are going to alter what they do just to keep a mid to late round pick alive.

And another point is, what if Warford loses his starting job this year? Do you think he'll command nearly as much in free agency if he rides the pine? Nope. There's a very real possibility we'd get nothing for him at all.

It makes a lot more sense to me to get the better pick now for Warford, if it is possible. Freeing up the salary this year for a player who is clearly no longer in our long term plans will allow us to add one more piece for a Super Bowl run, or go ahead and retain one of our young studs earlier, freeing up more money down the road. We can then back-fill the roster spot with a competent, cheap depth piece like Patrick Omameh.

Since the 49ers are known to be trading Kwon Alexander, I thought maybe a swap would work, but Alexander's contract is structured weirdly. He counts very little this year, but it jumps up to over $12 million each of the next two years. I don't think such a deal will work for either side in that case, but hopefully we can swing something for Warford.

I'm still not expecting a trade to happen, though. I can't even remember the last time we traded away a player; Darren Sproles? Jimmy Graham (Devaroe Lawrence doesn't count)?
 

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