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Obama will win the primary/caucus vote for the democrats. If the super delegates make Hank Clinton the winner, then she will lose to McCain. If Obama wins the Democrat (Socialist) nomination then he will defeat McCain.

This is how it will happen.
 

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So bad for true conservatives taht Mccain is our only choice. Not that any one else that ran was much better. I'll wait to see who the Libertarians put up. So far it seems to be Wayne Allyn Root (ranked by $ raised so far).
 

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A presidential candidate with the initials W.A.R.

Code Pink/MoveOn/PETA/NAMBLA will be apoplectic.
 

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what if it shakes out like this

McCain\Romney vs Obama\Clinton
 

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McCain / Romney is likely IMO. Obama / Clinton would never happen. It would be bad for both of them. If it did happen McCain would be your next President. I firmly believe a ticket with Hillary on it (top or bottom) is a losing ticket.
 

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Obama will not beat McCain simply because he will be favored early and it's impossible to keep that kind of momentum going until November...
 

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Obama has a Julie Andrews "Sound of Music" approach to governance: "A little sugar makes the socialism go down."
 

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what if it shakes out like this

McCain\Romney vs Obama\Clinton
I don't see that happening.

A recent Reuters poll puts the national election in November like this-
Obama 48% over McCain's 40%. But if you put Clinton verus McCain, McCain wins 50% to 38%.

Obama clearly has big pull among independents and centrists. I think adding Hillary to the ticket would be pennywise but pound foolish. Yes, it would shore up the party in that the Clinton supporters would fall in line, but Hillary is a turnoff for independents and others in the middle. I think she would only serve as a liability for Obama in November as a running mate.

But who knows, maybe people wouldn't feel the same about her as VP.
 

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All those TV and radio pundits who are saying Obama will beat McCain are discounting the conservative vote way too much.
Yes, right now, conservative Republicans aren't particularly thrilled with their choice, but make no mistake: come November when they see that the "socialist" (at least in their minds) Obama has a real chance of becoming President, they will come out in droves to vote for McCain. They may hold their noses to do so, but they will do it because Obama's platforms scare them and McCain, though he be thought of as a "maverick" and on the "liberal" side of the Republican Party is still far more conservative than Obama.

And the vast majority of those same conservative Republicans are not going to cast a "protest" vote for the Libertarian candidate or Green Party candidate, etc. because they disagree with those groups as much as they disagree with the Democrats. Sure, some Republicans will, but they will be people who are close to being Independents in the first place, and IMHO, most Republicans in that category are going to back McCain pretty strongly.

As for me, I'm telling you now: this will be the first time I have ever voted for a Republican candidate for President, and I'm going to do so.
 

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I agree that it will be huge turnout on all sides.

But I just don't think there's enough devout conservatives to come out against Obama that will offset the huge numbers of independents and passive centrists on both sides that are going to be highly motivated for Obama in November.
 

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On the other hand, I think there are tons of folks, myself included who are non too pleased by the offerings of either party, and may not vote at all. Most folks im talking to are feeling this way.
 

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On the other hand, I think there are tons of folks, myself included who are non too pleased by the offerings of either party, and may not vote at all. Most folks im talking to are feeling this way.
I get the feeling (and this is purely anecdotal) there are far more Republicans or right leaning people feeling that way than left. As I talk to people I find folks more likely to vote Democrat are very excited about their two choices. It makes sense. In McCain you have a non traditional Republican candidate vs. to traditional Democrats, at least on the key issues that shape the parties (taxes, abortion, military, etc). This is another reason I don't think November bodes well for the Republicans.

Another reason is if you look back at the last 7 elections the most charismatic candidate won. That may sound silly but it's true. Reagan was more charismatic than Carter or Mondale. Bush more that Dukakis. Clinton more than Bush or Dole and Dubya more than Gore or Kerry. Regardless of which of the two McCain runs against they will be more charismatic than him.

Finally, the majority of the country is dissatisfied with the President and he's Republican. As much as Bushies have played the "he's not running again" line when discussing his poll numbers the reality is it has an effect on the countries mood toward his party. We saw this in 2006 where the Republicans lost largely on the fact that every Democrat made it a race of them vs. Bush instead of them vs. the person they were actually running against.

IMO you have this perfect storm brewing for the Democrats in November. A variety of factors from war weariness to charisma to anger at the current Republican administration are converging for what could be a big win for the Dems in November. Bigger than I think many realize.
 

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>>So bad for true conservatives taht Mccain is our only choice.

What is a "true conservative?" :shrug: They made that up on radio.

>>On the other hand, I think there are tons of folks, myself included who are non too pleased by the offerings of either party, and may not vote at all. Most folks im talking to are feeling this way.

Isn't it that way every year? People bemoan their choices and have to "hold their nose when they walk into the booth" or "vote against someone instead of voting for someone." This year that approach is an ignorant cop out. You have a so-called maverick Republican rather than a party insider on the one hand and a woman battling a black dude on the other. The people you are talking to that are feeling this way would probably say that every other election too.

TPS
 

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I've turned off the TV or changed the channel on many sporting events when I thought the outcome was determined but before the game officially ended. Although the McCain nomination is nearly a fait accompli (McCain has 939 delegates to Huckabee's 245. It takes 1,191 delegates to secure the Republican nomination) the Obama/Clinton race is much, much closer and I'm not so certain Hillary won't win Texas as she did California and take over the lead. I think this thread is a bit premature but if Obama wins Texas handily, then I would agree that Obama will be the nominee.
 

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