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Whether someone is into AEW or not, I really struggle with this take (of course everyone is welcome to their opinion).

To me, Moxley is a way better character than Ambrose ever was and every promo he has cut as Moxley has been pure gold. In about a year and a half, he has won dozens of awards from various magazines and websites, and is also a main reason why the "forbidden door" seems to be open now. He seems to be one of the most popular wrestlers in the world right now.

Whatever one's opinions are about WWE and AEW, I think it is clear that Vince absolutely held Ambrose/Moxley back. Heck, Moxley has been pretty open about some of the horrible/offensive ideas he had to fight against during his final year in the company.
I'm not doubting that he probably did have to fight against some horrible ideas (same company that initially suggested to Steve Austin that he be Chilly McFreeze......somebody in there had to be thinking of marketing opportunities with McDonald's).

But what I am saying is, based on the admittedly-limited body of work I've seen, I'm not seeing an exponential character difference in Jon Moxley. It's like he's trying way too hard to be both the coolest kid in school as well as a ticking time bomb, which is essentially the vibe I got from Dean Ambrose.

Obviously you've seen more of his work in AEW, so I'm not going to dispute what you have seen with you. Maybe I just happened to catch him during a "meh" period recently, which even some of the best in the business go through.
 

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Hopefully they try and build Miz back up to being that heel who just kills on the mic. There's no need for him to go back with Morrison. Though I wouldn't be a shock if last night was just a swerve and somehow its Lashley Vs McIntyre for the belt at WM.
 

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Hopefully they try and build Miz back up to being that heel who just kills on the mic. There's no need for him to go back with Morrison. Though I wouldn't be a shock if last night was just a swerve and somehow its Lashley Vs McIntyre for the belt at WM.
Yeah. Like I posted last night, the only reason I see Vince doing this is because he wants to give McIntyre his day in the sun in front of fans. Anything other than that it's simply a waste.
 

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But what I am saying is, based on the admittedly-limited body of work I've seen, I'm not seeing an exponential character difference in Jon Moxley. It's like he's trying way too hard to be both the coolest kid in school as well as a ticking time bomb, which is essentially the vibe I got from Dean Ambrose.

Obviously you've seen more of his work in AEW, so I'm not going to dispute what you have seen with you. Maybe I just happened to catch him during a "meh" period recently, which even some of the best in the business go through.
Fair enough. Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

But I would still push back on the way you are characterizing the Ambrose and Moxley characters. While they certainly have some things in common (it is the same guy, after all), they are hardly the same. If “Dean Ambrose” had creative freedom with his promos and character direction, then yes, he would most likely (essentially) be Jon Moxley.

But that’s the point, he didn’t have that freedom, so they are very different characters.

Dean Ambrose was wearing gas masks because “the fans smell bad”, getting inoculations in his bare butt (on camera) for the same reason, and mocking co-workers/friends because they have Leukemia.

Whereas New Japan and AEW Moxley is the perfect babyface badass (he is especially a babyface in AEW) and even his worst promo in the past couple of years is better than his best Dean Ambrose promo.
 

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Fair enough. Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

But I would still push back on the way you are characterizing the Ambrose and Moxley characters. While they certainly have some things in common (it is the same guy, after all), they are hardly the same. If “Dean Ambrose” had creative freedom with his promos and character direction, then yes, he would most likely (essentially) be Jon Moxley.

But that’s the point, he didn’t have that freedom, so they are very different characters.

Dean Ambrose was wearing gas masks because “the fans smell bad”, getting inoculations in his bare butt (on camera) for the same reason, and mocking co-workers/friends because they have Leukemia.

Whereas New Japan and AEW Moxley is the perfect babyface badass (he is especially a babyface in AEW) and even his worst promo in the past couple of years is better than his best Dean Ambrose promo.
So, probably the last time I paid any attention to Dean Ambrose, he was getting thrown around like a rag doll by Lesnar in their feud. So, doing the math on that, would that have been 2017? 2018?

Everything you're describing does sound awful......and I'm assuming that was part of an ill-fated heel turn that must have occurred sometime later.
 

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