OMG!!! Dolphins Jeff Ireland slips up on TV!!! Dolphins going DEFENSE (1 Viewer)

[St4ever]

The contract "talk" is the biggest smoke screen of them all. Your not commiting to anything, but your getting a message across that your serious about signing someone. When the Texans drafted Mario Williams it started as a smokescreen, but as Reggie wouldn't budge from his demands, it became a reality.

The difference is that the Dolphins are only reportedly taking to Long right now, whereas the Texans were negotiating with Mario and Reggie.

If I remember right in the reggie/mario deal houston signed mario because he agreed to take the same amount that was offered to reggie which reggie did not want.
I think this could be something along that same case where they will offer the man they really want the same contract they are offering jake long which may be cheaper then a #1 DE/LB.

 

[Rich Jr]

I agree. I know a lot of people like to point out the "system" argument, but they don't really have a system yet. If a guy like Dorsey is there for the picking, the system that I will have is the system that best utilizes his talents.

Dorsey > Anyone else.

Given the state of the franchise.

Jake Long>>>>>>>>>The rest of the draft.

 

[canuckredux]

Given the state of the franchise.

Jake Long>>>>>>>>>The rest of the draft.

Explain. They have needs on both sides of the ball. Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are solid players and Jake Long is no Joe Thomas.

 

[bergeaux]

Suddenly the Phins are receiving offers for #1. Imagine that?

KFFL - Miami Dolphins News and Notes

Dolphins | Team receiving offers for No. 1 overall pick
Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:09:12 -0700
Omar Kelly, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, reports the Miami Dolphins have received trade offers for the top selection in the 2008 NFL Draft, according to general manager Jeff Ireland. Ireland expects more offers to come as the draft approaches, but at the moment the team is prepared to use their No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

 

[Rich Jr]

Explain. They have needs on both sides of the ball. Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are solid players and Jake Long is no Joe Thomas.

How many sacks did Thomas give up? Long gave up 2 in 4 years.

I look at J. Long as a franchise LT and better than Joe Thomas. But that's whats good about opinions isn't it?

 

[MLU]

Given the state of the franchise.

Jake Long>>>>>>>>>The rest of the draft.

Absolute nonsense. Given the state of the draft, they will find a starting tackle in the second round sooner than they will find a DT who can make the kind of impact that Dorsey can make. Hell, I'd draft McFadden before I drafted either Long.

 

[Professor]

Believe absolutely NOTHING about what you hear in the next one-and-a-half weeks. There's more smoke being blown than in a cigar smokers' convention.

 

[canuckredux]

Absolute nonsense. Given the state of the draft, they will find a starting tackle in the second round sooner than they will find a DT who can make the kind of impact that Dorsey can make. Hell, I'd draft McFadden before I drafted either Long.

Dorsey's a prototypical 4-3 3-tech. Not a good fit in a 3-4.

 

[Rich Jr]

Absolute nonsense. Given the state of the draft, they will find a starting tackle in the second round sooner than they will find a DT who can make the kind of impact that Dorsey can make. Hell, I'd draft McFadden before I drafted either Long.

Wow, Dorsey does not fit the 3-4. I can't see it happening.

McFadden won't be the best back in this draft when it's all said and done but to each his own.

 

[bergeaux]

NFL.com is speculating on whether it was a slip or intentional:

Dolphins involved in subterfuge over intentions with No. 1 pick

 

[MLU]

As of April 10th, Tony Sporano has indicated that he has not chosen a preferred defensive scheme which means that they have not eliminated Dorsey as the potential #1 overall choice. Also, their depth chart (that has been updated since the offseason began) shows the defense lined up in a 4-3 scheme. Were the Dolphins to move to a 3-4 defense, they would have been foolish to drop Zach Thomas.

Now, all of that doesn't point to them primarily lining up in a 4-3 scheme for the 2008 season, but it certainly shows that they have not committed to the 3-4 defense and are wide open to the possibility of drafting Dorsey.

 

[REBEL_SOUL]

what about a 3/4 DE for Dorsey -- out of the realm of possibilities?

 

[canuckredux]

How many sacks did Thomas give up? Long gave up 2 in 4 years.

I look at J. Long as a franchise LT and better than Joe Thomas. But that's whats good about opinions isn't it?

First off, many people are suggesting that Long is not only not a franchise LT, but isn't even best suited to play on the left side; his physical, road-grading skills would make him a more ideal fit on the right side, where his decent, but not elite athleticism and his decent, but not elite footwork won't be as much of a liability, as he'll be facing the bigger bull-rushers, as opposed to the smaller, quicker, more agile pass-rushers he'd face on the left side. (Keep in mind, they said the same thing about Jammal Brown.)

I don't know how many sacks Thomas allowed his entire college career, but how's this one: He only allowed one sack in the NFL as a rookie last year. It was in the first half of the first game and some said Charlie Frye held onto the ball for too long. Need further evidence? In 2006, the year before they drafted Thomas, the Browns allowed the 3rd most sacks in the NFL (54). In 2007? 19. 3rd fewest behind us (16) and the Bengals (17).

Jake Long is not as athletic as Joe Thomas; as a result he may have problems with smaller pass-rushers. Vernon Gholston beat him for his only sack as a senior and plowed through him the year before:

YouTube - Vernon Gholston

Long's footwork isn't as good and he's not as fundamentally sound as Thomas. He's a very good prospect in his own right: He's excellent against the run, he's physical, he's tough and he's pretty mobile for a man his size... but he is not as good as Joe Thomas. His athleticism, his agility and his technique are not on par with his. STILL GOOD, but not the elite prospect Thomas was. He does have the premium size, strength and intangibles to become a dominant OT. Whatever happens at the next level is what matters; in 2006, the best offensive lineman was not the one the Jets took at #4 (Ferguson), but the one the Chargers took in the 2nd round (McNeill), so we'll see what happens. The way Thomas has played so far, he's not really "toppable", but he can be equalled.

At this stage, the consensus would seem to be that Jake Long is not as good a prospect as Joe Thomas is. Seeing as how you saw fit to call me out yesterday and said I was full of it, I'm calling you out now to make a case for Jake Long, both as the best player for the Dolphins in this draft, by the large margin you claim he is, and as a better prospect than Joe Thomas. Kindly put some effort into it.

FWIW, I'd take Long, too, but that's what's good about opinions, isn't it?

 

[FWtex]

Dolphins have been ignoring Dorsey too much so I personally expect them to pull some negotiating ploy with him starting next Tues or so. They may be acting uninterested in hopes of catching Dorsey and his agent somewhat off guard and excited for a quick signing. I expect Miami to follow the dallas method of getting a deal done on their first round draft choices before making the pick.

 

[The SAINTaholic]

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It's either Gholston or Long!!!

Mark it down...

ummmm Ya think?????? Only EVERY MOCK DRAFT for the last 6 weeks have been saying "Long"...... But I'm so glad to hear it from you first though.