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Thought this topic would make a good stand-alone thread. This first article is from a series Medium did last summer.

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The Rhetoric Tricks, Traps, and Tactics of White Nationalism
How do normal people become Nazis? How can reasonable people be led to harbor unreasonable and dangerous beliefs? The tactics white supremacists use are effective and working. This is an article that tries to make clear the tactics involved in the subversive manipulation and how their actions of planting the roots of bigoted ideology often goes unnoticed.

Neo-Nazis hide. They usually aren’t going to be obvious about what they stand for when they are trying to woo you. This deception is referred to inside their circles as “hiding your power level”, it is masquerading as something else to lure people in and then slowly expose them to neo-Nazi propaganda. These hiding tactics range from false flags where they attack people while impersonating those they hate in order to drive people towards more radical groups, or silencing methods like telling people false information while pretending to be non-biased, or hiding their identities claiming that they are “normal” / “centrists” / “moderates” / “liberals”
The whole thing is a public performance by the neo-Nazi, they aren’t there to necessarily win you over but to woo anyone else who skims by the conversation. The point is to appear informed and correct to onlookers while intentionally overwhelming and demoralizing people with bad faith time wasting arguments.
Common rhetoric tactics (used by white supremacists engaged in online recruiting) :

  • “SJW”s / Feminism
  • appeal to the status quo/appeal to law and order- “Azov is a volunteer police.” / “The Charlottesville rally had a permit.” / “Gay culture is destroying our freedom of religion.”
  • Claiming the person being appealed to is in some form of risk and must defend/join the neo-nazi speaker for their self-defense from an enemy (usually “SJWs”)
  • [] are coming to take your []
  • Red Herring- “communism killed 100 million people”/ “antifa did [__]” derailment to drown out any discussion of their acts of murder and violence and control the conversation to talk about and highlight “other” violence
  • “Lügenpresse” (lying press)- [__]source of information is lying, this one is as old as Joseph Goebbels the Nazi Minister of Propaganda
  • straw man- an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument
  • antifa and opposing fascism as evil, “antifascists are the real fascists!”
  • Tu Quoque- “Antifa is also violent!” / “If you don’t let us say [__] then you’re also killing free speech”
  • Misleading statistics- usually racial statistics from debunked studies done 80 years ago, cherry picked crime data
  • Bogus science mixed with taking real science out of context- Darwinism, biological determinism, race realism, phrenology, and racially biased IQ
  • False Cause- wrongfully attributing something as the cause, “You talking about [__] only causes them to be stronger!” / “Attacking Nazis is what makes people be Nazis!” / “This violence is merely a response to PC cultural neo-marxism.”
  • Gish Gallop- time wasting strategy to drown the opponent in massive waves of argumentative claims (see above)
  • Non Sequitur- a conclusion that does not follow from the statements that lead to it
  • Fallacy of Reification- “National Socialist, ‘socialist’ means they were Left wing!”
  • Loaded Question- contains a presupposition or unproven assumption that can make it difficult to give an answer that doesn’t support the questioners premise “You always support violence?” / “So you hate Free Speech?”
  • No True Scotsman- claiming any related murders, stabbings, beatings, or other violence perpetrated by white supremacists doesn’t apply as they are not “truly” part of the white nationalist movement see: Anders Breivik, Alex Fields, Samuel Woodward, Brandon Russell
  • Immigration fearmongering, Islamophobia, race baiting
  • “White Genocide” / “Great Replacement” / “Whites have a right to exist” / “Faith Folk Family” / “ We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” / “Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White nations for White people.”
  • “Political Correctness” and "thought police"- often used to silence an opponent or draw unwitting others to their defense, “This is just PC bullshirt” / “De-platforming Nazis is Thought Policing” / “Free marketplace of ideas”
  • “Post-Modernism” / “Cultural Marxism”- popular boogeymen terms that don’t really have substance or clear meaning and are easy to apply to anyone and anything they don’t like
  • “Diversity Quotas”- fear mongering appeal towards white men, saying that their jobs/opportunities/livelihoods are being “stolen” and given to those less worthy (meaning brown people and women)
  • “Frankfurt School”- commonly cited as part of antisemitic neo-Nazi conspiracies about shadowy powers controlling the world via secret elite intellectuals, see also “Deep State”, “Globalists”, “New World Order” type conspiracies. It’s all just new more appealing ways to say “Jews”.
  • Argumentum Ad Speculum- hypothetical examples that are factually incorrect are used to prop up the incorrect assumption. Invocations about how not allowing hate speech will lead to horrible outcomes usually relies on this.
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The Hidden Face of Hate Groups Online: A Former’s Perspective
By Brad Galloway and Ryan Scrivens

2017 saw an increase in the on- and offline activities of organised hate groups in various parts of the Western world, including – but, indeed, not limited to – the US, Canada, and the UK. Some have attributed this spike to the current political climate in the West, from Trump’s shocking US presidential election victory to the rise of right-wing populism in Europe. Others, however, have argued that hate groups have been gaining momentum in the past number of years, particularly online. Despite these debates, one point of agreement is that the Internet has played a critical role in connecting hate groups from around the globe.
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This one from last week references the same group tied to the NZ shooter:

The Leaked Chats That Show How a Far-Right Group Is Trying to Infiltrate the GOP

Erin Corbett
3/06/19 1:24pm
Filed to: Identity Evropa

Splinter has reached out to Identity Evropa and the GOP for comment and will update if we hear back.

The logs, which exist on a server called “Nice Respectable People Group,” include conversations that took place between September 2017 and February 2019.
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The logs also show server members discussing their plans to infiltrate College and Young Republicans groups, and local GOP offices, on at least 48 separate dates. One person last February invited members to help build a national College Republicans Discord server, which would be run by Identity Evropa members, who were told not to use “overtly alt right usernames of profile pics.” Some members said they were either current lawyers or plan to attend law schools in an effort to provide legal support to the group, while at least a dozen people said they are currently or formerly in the military.

 

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Some of those are used by the left and non-nazi right, in addition to the Nazis. It seems to apply to all of the simple minded.
(Argumentum Ad Speculum, non-sequitur, loaded questions, false cause, misleading statistics, straw man, red herring). So it is true, but not exclusive to one group. And no, I am not trying to say a regular liberal is as bad as a Nazi.
 
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Some of those are used by the left and non-nazi right, in addition to the Nazis. It seems to apply to all of the simple minded.
(Argumentum Ad Speculum, non-sequitur, loaded questions, false cause, misleading statistics, straw man, red herring). So it is true, but not exclusive to one group. And no, I am not trying to say a regular liberal is as bad as a Nazi.
No, you're not wrong, as far as what's getting spread around online. We know the Russian troll farm kids played both sides against the middle, creating extreme left- and right-wing personas in order to magnify any discord. You have the appearance of [name group] acting a certain way online, but no actions to back it up, except if they can con people into a pop-up demonstration. With the neo-nazis, real people actually travel to meet potential recruits in person. They prey on the vulnerable.
 

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Somewhat related...

I just watched a Ted talk that explained how algorithms are pushing us all towards extremism...


Its not intentional, just a result of selling ads. The most disturbing ted talk I’ve seen. Almost thought I was watching Black Mirror.
 
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Somewhat related...

I just watched a red talk that explained how algorithms are pushing us all towards extremism...


Its not intentional, just a result of selling ads. The most disturbing ted talk I’ve seen. Almost thought I was watching Black Mirror.
Yes, Yasmin Green (video at the bottom of OP) explained how they're using (probably the same) algorithms to serve up opposing ads/links when IS terms are googled. She's been doing this a while.

 

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Some of those are used by the left and non-nazi right, in addition to the Nazis. It seems to apply to all of the simple minded.
(Argumentum Ad Speculum, non-sequitur, loaded questions, false cause, misleading statistics, straw man, red herring). So it is true, but not exclusive to one group. And no, I am not trying to say a regular liberal is as bad as a Nazi.
Very true, but some of their very specific white supremacist examples of the more generic debate tactic have been posted here. More than once by different posters.

“Anti-fascists are the real fascists, and the Nazi party was really left wing, they had socialist in their name.”

Those are just two, there are others we have read in this forum before.

It’s a bit chilling.
 

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To add to an already excellent OP.

This was an interview with someone who grew up in a family and at the forefront of the White Nationalist movement, Derek Black, and he talks about how the indoctrination process works, which echos a lot of what has already been mentioned, and he goes a bit in depth on the psychology they use and why it works. What strategies they have used to infiltrate white nationalist language into the broader conservative movement and how successful that has actually been. In addition to basically explaining his own transition and how it happened and what he tries to do for others in a similar situation.

There’s also a really good interview with Deeyah Khan with Ezra Klein, she’s a reporter and documentary filmmaker who actually has two documentaries on Netflix one focusing on white supremacists and the other on Isis. Basically how similar their followers and the tactics used to indoctrinate them are, and really gets into the underlying psychology in a way I hadn’t really seen most people doing. She actually befriends some of these people and really gets into some of their underlying issues and motivations for how they got to where they did.
 

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Fending off criticism of SJW/PC culture by claiming the criticism to be a front for white nationalism would be laughable if it wasn’t so boringly predictable.
This isn’t a difficult idea. It can be true that not all people who criticize SJW/PC are white nationalists, but it is definitely true that all white nationalists criticize SJW/PC. It’s one of their favorite tactics.

The whole point of Sharon making this thread, I think, is to show how the white nationalists have changed up their tactics since the cross burning days of the kkk. They’ve taken a long hard look at what it takes to truly infiltrate the mainstream and are executing their plan. They are using tried and true propaganda tactics, sending their adherents to law school, enrolling in law enforcement.

It’s uncomfortable to realize that something you have championed is being simultaneously used by white nationalists, but take a long hard, honest look at the various things Sharon posted.

We’ve seen most of those tactics used on these boards. Just take a look at the people excusing the NZ massacre using these tactics on Reddit. It’s not hard to find.
 
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was reminded of this thread when I came across some articles about the online targeting of Larson and Captain Marvel because of its 'feminist' actress and female hero

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/3/8/18254584/captain-marvel-boycott-controversy

Larson didn’t back down, and during the press tour for the movie has spoken about how important feminism and diversity are to her, and how they are intrinsic to her character’s story.
the paranoia of white supremacists/sexists isn't restricted to the political arena:
A brief look at the movies that have been targeted by trolls in the last few years makes it easy to see that this kind of backlash consistently erupts when women and non-white characters are at the center of Marvel Studios superhero flicks or other cinematic franchises with long, less-diverse histories.
the article also cites the criticism that Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the all female Ghostbusters (not talking about the cinematic criticism, generally, but the specific references to the diversity/female commentary) and Black Panther.

I'd also add the criticism that Anna Diop faced for playing Starfire in the new Titans series.

So while these aren't necessarily tied to the malicious intent outlined in the OP, the pervasiveness of some of those sentiments can be found readily, in very mainstream places, all over the internet
 
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Here in the United States, there has been a spike in white supremacist-motivated violence and murders. According to the Anti-Defamation League, ideologically motivated extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S. last year, and all but one of those murders had at least some links to right-wing extremism. Only one, according to its recent report, was blamed on Islamist extremism.
Will we ever learn?
 

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Some of those are used by the left and non-nazi right, in addition to the Nazis. It seems to apply to all of the simple minded.
(Argumentum Ad Speculum, non-sequitur, loaded questions, false cause, misleading statistics, straw man, red herring). So it is true, but not exclusive to one group. And no, I am not trying to say a regular liberal is as bad as a Nazi.
Interesting choice.
 

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Looking at that list of common rhetoric tactics, it looks awfully familiar to me. Most of those I have observed from AFA "american family association" which, in my view, is an extremist evangelical outlet. They do nothing but spread FUD, but with a "moral" and religious spin on it.
 

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