Option Loomis Selected in Payton Trade Revisited (1 Viewer)

[catch22]

Reportedly, Denver gave the Saints two options in the Sean Payton trade. The first was Denver's 2023 first-round pick (pick 29) and 2024 second-round pick with Denver receiving the Saints 2024 third-round pick. The second was Denver's 2024 first-round pick and 2023 fourth-round pick. Loomis selected the first option. Go back on SR and you can find a lively discussion as to whether the Saints should have opted for the second option.

Denver is not as bad as it was against Miami. And with luck, Denver could be 2-1. But the Broncos have a brutal schedule. Even if Denver rebounds, it appears the Broncos' first-round pick will be in the mid-teens. And at this time, there is a substantial chance Denver will have a top 10 pick, which would have belonged to the Saints had they selected the second option offered by Denver.

To those who say hindsight is driving any discussion today of the options offered, I invite you to look at the debate that took place on this board eight months ago. The Saints selected the first option because Loomis nearly always makes decisions based solely on next season rather than what is in the long-term interests of the franchise. This is not what the Eagles have been doing. Unless a team is a legitimate Super Bowl contender, Loomis's obsession with winning now has hurt the organization. Desperate for a first-round pick in 2023--which we did not have because of the trade with Philadelphia before the 2022 draft--we gave up the chance of getting a really high first-round pick from Denver in the 2024 draft.

I was in Green Bay on Sunday. I do not know how Jordan Love will turn out. But to win for a sustained period in the NFL, a team needs three things: a top quarterback (Green Bay had sustained success for 30 years because of two quarterbacks and some top people in its front office), a top head coach, and a top general manager. The Saints have none of these.

I totally disagree with this. The saints have a very good front office.

 

[44slayer]

Well I gotta say, 7 months later, and I feel like I was in the right ballpark. Im still hoping this team makes a run, but honestly we dont look much different than last year. We may win more games due to the softer than melted butter schedule, but we need a HC in a bad way.

DA could be saved by the schedule, which will set us back 1 more year.

I wouldve taken option #2. No chance the Broncos are selecting 29-32 next season, so we wouldve had a 1 potentially 10+ picks higher and we gave up a 3rd to get a 2nd. I wouldve taken teh 2024 1 and 2023 4. No question. Give the next HC 2 1st round picks to start the next chapter.

If those were the 2 legit options, and Loomis went with option 1 - that was a terrible move to go with option 1.

 

[silverbullet]

But to win for a sustained period in the NFL, a team needs three things: a top quarterback (Green Bay had sustained success for 30 years because of two quarterbacks and some top people in its front office), a top head coach, and a top general manager. The Saints have none of these.

I would argue that other than Holmgren, Green Bay has had very average coaches. But the Saints have a bottom 5 coaching staff in the NFL and that's being generous.

 

[gavinj]

Yeah, as others have stated the Saints look like they hit big on the Bresee pick. That has to be factored in to any discussion on the Payton trade.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Yeah, as others have stated the Saints look like they hit big on the Bresee pick. That has to be factored in to any discussion on the Payton trade.

Yeah, it'd be different if Bresee was showing himself to be another Turner. So far, it looks like he's the best 1st round DL the Saints have picked since Cam. He's flashing way more than I think even the most optimistic of us was thinking in his first season with his physical structure.

 

[boutte]

People talk about picking a QB in the first round as if it somehow guarantees a 'franchise QB" for the next 15 years. For every 1st rd pick that works out that way there are probably 6 or 7 that don't.

But you almost never find those guys anywhere but the 1st round.

 

[Nolan]

Let's see what happens. I definitely wasn't happy at the time. But I do love me some Bresee, if that makes us feel better if Denver ends up with a lottery-esque pick.

 

[504gks]

Then we don’t get Bresee and have a huge hole in the DL. Unless the Broncos end up w a top 5 pick, I think we made the best selection especially w how good Bresee can be once he gets a year or two of experience under his belt.

Loomis is not a good trader.

 

[504gks]

So this is just another bash Loomis thread? I get it.

Jalen carter

 

[los226]

Loomis made the right decision

 

[Troll Hunter]

1st option all day.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Jalen carter

How? Wouldn't have had a first round pick this year and there was no way he was ever going to fall past Philly.

 

[town123]

Yep, the Eagles trade was dumb from the get go. That set us up for Mr Bad Trade Loomis to play for the now, with the CSP decision.

Mickey might be the problem, trying to win for now while better GM's are toying with him.

 

[jbourque]

In all fairness, I think we all thought Payton would do well in Denver. Better than 0-3 for sure.

 

[DavidM]

In all fairness, I think we all thought Payton would do well in Denver. Better than 0-3 for sure.

Yeah, I think most people probably did, but the thinking was that the 2024 pick would almost certainly be better than the 29th the Saints got from Denver this year. But how much better and how likely that was to matter weren't known.

I suspect that some of the same people who are objecting now would have objected if Loomis took a different offer and the Saints had no 1st rd pick in the 2023 draft.

As it is, it looks like the Saints added a promising prospect with Bresee and that's ultimately what you hope to get out of the draft. With Allen getting Carr, I think selecting a high value QB in the 2024 draft is unlikely, anyway - more likely to add pieces to build on the core talent we have now - though a better pick would have certainly had more trade value.

Also worth noting that the second deal only added a 4th. The deal Loomis took included a 2nd and we traded back a 3rd. Both deals were meant to be attractive for different reasons and there wasn't an obviously better or worse offer.