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This is not meant as a Bush bashing but he just does not look good in the back field. Deuce is the much better runner and it just baffles me why they give Bush as many carries as they do taking away the bigger load from Deuce. I know Deuce's knee and hammy are problems, but when he's in he's much better, stronger, and has much better vision. Bush really needs to learn more patience and follow his blockers instead of always trying to bounce it outside. I'm not saying Bush won't be a good runner cause a lot has to do with the Oline blocking, but right now Deuce is by far superior and he's not getting the ball as much as he should.
 
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What does the Haslett era have to do with the fact that Bush keeps getting stuffed in the backfield?
 

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Deuce is to Fragile (I love the guy but he is) to be a full-time back in the league. Hes found a way to get hurt 3 straight years and is hurt again this year slightly. The less hits the better for Deuce until that Knee is fully recovered next year.
 

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What does the Haslett era have to do with the fact that Bush keeps getting stuffed in the backfield?
once he learns to stop dancing and running to the outside...he will be really good along with getting better blocking from our o-line he will be awesome.
 

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It's a fair question.

I'm not sure if it's 'broken' but there needs to be some consitency if you hope to, not only make the playoffs, but go far.

Reggie's learning curve is not what we expected. I still think he will be a dynamite back but he needs to trust his blockers and realize that 3 yards is OK once and awhile. Stecker is a third down back. Duece is always going to be solid but, agian thinking ahead, we need to make sure he's healthy in Decemeber.

Is Jamal Branch the answer? The team needs someone to pound the the ball up the middle for the proverbial 'three yards and a cloud of dust'. It appears that a lot of young guys are stepping up this year and it might be time to activate him and get him some carries.
 

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What does the Haslett era have to do with the fact that Bush keeps getting stuffed in the backfield?
What I'm trying to say is that Sean Payton is not gonna run Deuce 30-40 times game like Jim Haslett did.

That too predictable era is over and done with.

Some people need to get over it.
 

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I think it has become fashionable for some of the media to talk about Bush trying to bounce it outside on every play. We have all known that Bush plays best when he has some space in which to operate...thus he is more effective as a receiver. As a running back, I don't think the Saints have done a good enough job of creating space in running plays...i.e...I don't think the offensive line play has been that good. The offensive line has done a great job of blocking for Brees, but there is much room for improvement on running plays.
 

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I don't think its anything to do with Bush, overall our running game just isn't very good. There've been bright spots here and there, but overall we haven't run the ball overall. I don't know if its scheme, the running backs or just bad blocking by the offensive line.
 

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Deuce isn't one 100%. His knee is hurting. That's why they really limit his carries this game
 
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I agree that we need Deuce to stay healthy i'm just wondering why he gets positive yards and Bush gets hit on the handoff. Are teams really keying on Bush that much, if so that sounds like a good time to do some play action deep. If they want to give Bush the ball that's fine, why don't they use those stretch plays or counter plays to give him an opportunity to find a hole and explode instead of being hit on the handoff.

I like Branch also and i think we will see him on the roster and Stecker will move on next year. I think Keith Jospeh is also another option next year, he's not as fast but he's a big bruiser.
 

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Everyone wants Bush to learn this and that. He is not going to learn on the sidelines. I say keep giving him the ball, and let him learn in game type situations. That is the only way he is going to get better. What better game to do it than when we are dominating.
 

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Well for one, Jamaal Brown is not out there. Strief did great protecting brees, but we just couldn't get it done on that side. Bush doesn't see the holes, when he learns patience, he will be great.
 
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once he learns to stop dancing and running to the outside...he will be really good along with getting better blocking from our o-line he will be awesome.
This is a hackneyed explanation and doesn't hold historical water. Great RBs tend to have an IMMEDIATE impact on their teams. Sanders was even better than Bush in space but adjusted very well to running in the NFL. Here's a list of the rookie statistics for the top 30 all-time RBs:

Emmitt Smith (1st): 241 att, 937 yds, 3.9 YPC, 11 TDs
Walter Payton (1st): 196 att, 679 yds, 3.5 YPC, 7 TDs
Barry Sanders (1st): 280 att, 1470 yds, 5.2 YPC, 14 TDs
Curtis Martin (3rd): 368 att, 1487 yds, 4.0 YPC, 14 TDs
Jerome Bettis (1st): 294 att, 1429 yds, 4.9 YPC, 7 TDs
Eric Dickerson: 390 att, 1808 yds, 4.6 YPC, 18 TDs
Tony Dorsett (1st): 208 att, 1007 yds, 4.8 YPC, 12 TDs
Jim Brown (1st): 202 att, 942 yds, 4.7 YPC, 9 TDs
Marshall Faulk (1st): 314 att, 1282 yds, 4.1 YPC, 11 TDs
Marcus Allen (1st): 160 att, 697 yds, 4.4 YPC, 11 TDs
Franco Harris (1st): 188 att, 1055 yds, 5.6 YPC, 10 TDs
Thurman Thomas (2nd): 207 att, 881 yds, 4.3 YPC, 2 TDs
John Riggins (1st): 180 att, 769 yds, 4.3 YPC, 1 TD
OJ Simpson (1st): 181 att, 697 yds, 3.9 YPC, 2 TDs
Corey Dillon (2nd): 233 att, 1129 yds, 4.8 YPC, 10 TDs
Ricky Watters (2nd): 206 att, 1013 yds, 4.9 YPC, 9 TDs
Eddie George (1st): 335 att, 1368 yds, 4.1 YPC, 8 TDs
Ottis Anderson (1st): 331 att, 1605 yds, 4.8 YPC, 8 TDs
Edgerrin James (1st): 369 att, 1553 yds, 4.2 YPC, 13 TDs
Tiki Barber (2nd): 136 att, 511 yds, 3.8 YPC, 3 TDs
Earl Campbell (1st): 302 att, 1450 yds, 4.8 YPC, 13 TDs
Warrick Dunn (1st): 224 att, 978 yds, 4.4 YPC, 4 TDs
Fred Taylor (1st): 264 att, 1223 yds, 4.6 YPC, 14 TDs
Terry Allen (9th): 120 att, 563 yds, 4.7 YPC, 2 TDs
Jim Taylor (2nd): 52 att, 247 yds, 4.8 YPC, 1 TD
Joe Perry (n/a/): 124 att, 647 yds, 5.2 YPC, 5 TDs
Earnest Byner (10th): 72 att, 426 yds, 5.9 YPC, 2 TDs
Herschel Walker (5th): 151 att, 737 yds, 4.9 YPC, 12 TDs
Roger Craig (2nd): 176 att, 725 yds, 4. YPC, 8 TDs
Gerald Riggs (1st): 78 att, 299 yds, 3.8 YPC, 5 TDs

Bush's projected: 160 att, 485 yds, 3.0 YPC, 0 TD (yeah he'll probably score a TD or two). That would place him dead last on that list in YPC. Now that's a great list, but he's supposed to be a great runner.
 
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This is a hackneyed explanation and doesn't hold historical water. Great RBs tend to have an IMMEDIATE impact on their teams. Sanders was even better than Bush in space but adjusted very well to running in the NFL. Here's a list of the rookie statistics for the top 30 all-time RBs:

Emmitt Smith (1st): 241 att, 937 yds, 3.9 YPC, 11 TDs
Walter Payton (1st): 196 att, 679 yds, 3.5 YPC, 7 TDs
Barry Sanders (1st): 280 att, 1470 yds, 5.2 YPC, 14 TDs
Curtis Martin (3rd): 368 att, 1487 yds, 4.0 YPC, 14 TDs
Jerome Bettis (1st): 294 att, 1429 yds, 4.9 YPC, 7 TDs
Eric Dickerson: 390 att, 1808 yds, 4.6 YPC, 18 TDs
Tony Dorsett (1st): 208 att, 1007 yds, 4.8 YPC, 12 TDs
Jim Brown (1st): 202 att, 942 yds, 4.7 YPC, 9 TDs
Marshall Faulk (1st): 314 att, 1282 yds, 4.1 YPC, 11 TDs
Marcus Allen (1st): 160 att, 697 yds, 4.4 YPC, 11 TDs
Franco Harris (1st): 188 att, 1055 yds, 5.6 YPC, 10 TDs
Thurman Thomas (2nd): 207 att, 881 yds, 4.3 YPC, 2 TDs
John Riggins (1st): 180 att, 769 yds, 4.3 YPC, 1 TD
OJ Simpson (1st): 181 att, 697 yds, 3.9 YPC, 2 TDs
Corey Dillon (2nd): 233 att, 1129 yds, 4.8 YPC, 10 TDs
Ricky Watters (2nd): 206 att, 1013 yds, 4.9 YPC, 9 TDs
Eddie George (1st): 335 att, 1368 yds, 4.1 YPC, 8 TDs
Ottis Anderson (1st): 331 att, 1605 yds, 4.8 YPC, 8 TDs
Edgerrin James (1st): 369 att, 1553 yds, 4.2 YPC, 13 TDs
Tiki Barber (2nd): 136 att, 511 yds, 3.8 YPC, 3 TDs
Earl Campbell (1st): 302 att, 1450 yds, 4.8 YPC, 13 TDs
Warrick Dunn (1st): 224 att, 978 yds, 4.4 YPC, 4 TDs
Fred Taylor (1st): 264 att, 1223 yds, 4.6 YPC, 14 TDs
Terry Allen (9th): 120 att, 563 yds, 4.7 YPC, 2 TDs
Jim Taylor (2nd): 52 att, 247 yds, 4.8 YPC, 1 TD
Joe Perry (n/a/): 124 att, 647 yds, 5.2 YPC, 5 TDs
Earnest Byner (10th): 72 att, 426 yds, 5.9 YPC, 2 TDs
Herschel Walker (5th): 151 att, 737 yds, 4.9 YPC, 12 TDs
Roger Craig (2nd): 176 att, 725 yds, 4. YPC, 8 TDs
Gerald Riggs (1st): 78 att, 299 yds, 3.8 YPC, 5 TDs

Bush's projected: 160 att, 485 yds, 3.0 YPC, 0 TD (yeah he'll probably score a TD or two). That would place him dead last on that list in YPC. Now that's a great list, but he's supposed to be a great runner.
So he's on par for a Jim Taylor-like career? Or Tiki?

I understand what the intent was but each of these guys was a different back. Plus, did they have a compliment on par with Duece? And for the immediate impact, did those teams make the playoffs?

His learning curve is not what we thought. No one can debate that. But htey guy can catch the ball. His punt return today set up a score. I geniunely think it's a different mind set that he's going to have to bring to the game thats going to get him to the next level. Adjustment is taking some time.
 
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The problem with your stat sheet is it doesn't tell us how good their run blocking was. I doubt those guys, in their rookie system, ran behind a brand new coaching staff and brand new offensive line.
 

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