Over or Under: Adam Trautman's Stats for 2022 (1 Viewer)

[DerrickB]

Something wrong with you if you look at every other TE room in the league and don’t think it’s one of the weakest. Don’t let any bias overrule logical knowledge and take emotion out of it.

I'm not being biased. I just don't believe the situation is bad as others make it out to be. Also, I'm never the one to get emotional when it comes to the team.

 

[donato]

WAY under. He stinks.

 

[donato]

11 catches, -11 yards. 11 fumbles.

 

[TribuneUK]

This thread really makes me further concerned with our TE room. It is legit one of the weakest in the league.

I find this comment seriously lacking in merit. Take us through the varied and excellent TE corps of the other 30+ teams to provide an effective comparison.

I can likely save you the effort: a good proportion of teams will have a capable blocker who can catch as well, that might be targeted a few times a game, which over the season amounts to maybe 35-60 catches and c.3-6 TDs. Another good number of teams will have a one-dimensional (great) blocker who may catch only 15-30 all year, with a #2 who blocks badly but is a receiving threat on a much smaller number of snaps, enough to help the team situationally, but not sufficient to excite the casual stathound fan. We are very much in the mix of both these kinds of teams, which easily outnumber the few teams with a top tier, multidimensional receiver/blocker at the position.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Under. He can play well but still be the #6-7 option on this offense.

 

[UltraSaints]

I find this comment seriously lacking in merit. Take us through the varied and excellent TE corps of the other 30+ teams to provide an effective comparison.

I can likely save you the effort: a good proportion of teams will have a capable blocker who can catch as well, that might be targeted a few times a game, which over the season amounts to maybe 35-60 catches and c.3-6 TDs. Another good number of teams will have a one-dimensional (great) blocker who may catch only 15-30 all year, with a #2 who blocks badly but is a receiving threat on a much smaller number of snaps, enough to help the team situationally, but not sufficient to excite the casual stathound fan. We are very much in the mix of both these kinds of teams, which easily outnumber the few teams with a top tier, multidimensional receiver/blocker at the position.

Why is it lacking in merit? Our “#1” TE was playing QB a season ago. We are now asking him to be our go to guy.

The options after TH aren’t exactly much better and would be nothing more than depth players on any other teams.

I find it pretty hilarious that you say my comment is lacking merit but our tight end room is full of receivers who have struggled catching more than 3 passes a year. Don’t believe me? Check out the stats.

They may be able to block, not disputing that. But in terms of receiving our tight ends are going to struggle. Do you seriously think the likes of the J.P Holtz, Juwan Johnson, Trautman, Nick Vannet and that new guy from Minnesota are going to scare defences? Lucky for us we have other weapons. However I stand by the fact that I believe tight end is a weak part of our team and ONE of the weakest rooms in the league. If you don’t think TE is a weakness then it just gives the impression you think we’re solid at every position, which isn’t the case. However I accept the fact that their are some fans who refuse to call any aspect of the Saints a weakness. Perhaps you’ve settled for average TE play over the years since JG.

There isn’t a single TE on our team who has broken 300 yards receiving in their career. The average is barely 100 yards. Check the numbers. They don’t lie.

 

[Saint Taysom]

Trautman will have every opportunity to break out this season. With CGM, Landry, Olave, AK41, and the other weapons, Trautman should draw the easiest coverage.

 

[TribuneUK]

Why is it lacking in merit? Our “#1” TE was playing QB a season ago. We are now asking him to be our go to guy.

The options after TH aren’t exactly much better and would be nothing more than depth players on any other teams.

I find it pretty hilarious that you say my comment is lacking merit but our tight end room is full of receivers who have struggled catching more than 3 passes a year. Don’t believe me? Check out the stats.

They may be able to block, not disputing that. But in terms of receiving our tight ends are going to struggle. Do you seriously think the likes of the J.P Holtz, Juwan Johnson, Trautman, Nick Vannet and that new guy from Minnesota are going to scare defences? Lucky for us we have other weapons. However I stand by the fact that I believe tight end is a weak part of our team and ONE of the weakest rooms in the league. If you don’t think TE is a weakness then it just gives the impression you think we’re solid at every position, which isn’t the case. However I accept the fact that their are some fans who refuse to call any aspect of the Saints a weakness. Perhaps you’ve settled for average TE play over the years since JG.

There isn’t a single TE on our team who has broken 300 yards receiving in their career. The average is barely 100 yards. Check the numbers. They don’t lie.

I appreciate you explaining your reasoning, but I think you're still viewing the situation without context of what many tight end rooms in the league actually look like. There are plenty of teams with unspectacular TEs labouring to achieve the sort of receiving numbers I talked about, using a mix of players to get the job done in numerous cases.

If you want to compare to the likes of an exceptional receiving TE like Jimmy Graham (as he was) then you'll be mostly disappointed, as these players are very rare. Again look at the TE receiving numbers across the league for a better idea of the league context and do a bit of benchmarking. There aren't that many averaging at or greater than 3.5 catches for 35yds a game - which by the way is what a 60 for 600yd season looks like. That's actually where the #8-#12 TEs in 2021 rank (by reception). The rest of the league's teams fall below that, including us.

We have our #1 who blocks well and receives occasionally (Trautman), our blocking specialist (Vannett), our situational guy who comes in primarily to catch the ball (Juwan), plus we also have the x-factor in Taysom who will be a plus in situational play.

What we don't have, as you point out is a lack of career receiving in this group. But I think that's because we're relatively young/inexperienced at the position and expecting Trautman to either become that 30-50 receptions player or settle into the Josh Hill role, while someone else does the situational receiving work. The fact is that Trautman's sophomore year didn't achieve that, primarily it seems due to injuries. This season will be another opportunity to prove he belongs in that spot. If he can't handle that role, then yes, the team will need to find someone who can, but their talent evaluation is that he can be the player they need, supported by that remaining cast.

For what it's worth, I'm happy to debate and acknowledge weakness on the team. I don't think there's empirical proof that this group is in the top half of TE units in the league, but I also don't see empirical proof that they're one of the league's very weakest. I'd project them being somewhere closer to, or a little below, the actual league average of decent to good blocking, with unspectacular rceiving production along the way.

But we can always see how far off that mark I was as the season goes on! Trouble being of course the difficulty of evaluating blocking ability without resorting to game film levels of analysis.

 

[EvilMike]

He's a pretty good blocker, other than that Juwan Johnson is a better TE. I don't know why the Saints didn't use him more last year.

 

[sammymvpknight]

He's a pretty good blocker, other than that Juwan Johnson is a better TE. I don't know why the Saints didn't use him more last year.

I think Trautmans ability to block at least gets him on the field. So he may be a good option for checkdowns and in the redzone…because he will see tons of playing time on running downs. I think that NFL defenses will be hopeless in covering the Saints top 3 receivers and Kamara. Trautman is going to get tons of open looks

 

[TenTwo]

lol almost zero chance he hits the over on OPs number.

A better over under for Trautman would be 325 and 3.5 TDs

 

[TenTwo]

Trautman will have every opportunity to break out this season. With CGM, Landry, Olave, AK41, and the other weapons, Trautman should draw the easiest coverage.

Breakout with the herp