Ozark season 3 this Friday 3/27/2020 (1 Viewer)

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I have to be the only person that wasn't a fan of the ben character. Me and the wife had some conversations about it and I really thought his parts were too drawn out and kind of a side road from the show. The whole taxi scene was just promoting he had fell off the wagon which I think had already been established...just felt un-needed to me. My wife loved the character....me not so much. I guess I can see where there there are loose ends there and I'd maybe see a point where he wasn't dead but that's also a huge thing Marty would've hid from wendy while consoling her. Not sure it works. I hope he's gone haha
 
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He was written to be mentally ill.
Separate from naive and ignorant or is that all because of his mental illness?
I’m not trying to win your approval or get you to think as I do, just as you won’t sway my thoughts as well.

That was a fantastic ride, wonderful show.
 

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I have to be the only person that wasn't a fan of the ben character. Me and the wife had some conversations about it and I really thought his parts were too drawn out and kind of a side road from the show. The whole taxi scene was just promoting he had fell off the wagon which I think had already been established...just felt un-needed to me. My wife loved the character....me not so much. I guess I can see where there there are loose ends there and I'd maybe see a point where he wasn't dead but that's also a huge thing Marty would've hid from Helen while consoling her. Not sure it works. I hope he's gone haha
Nope you’re not alone. I didn’t like the character or his story arc.

That has rattled some folks as it doesn’t align with their thinking but it is what it is.
 
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Separate from naive and ignorant or is that all because of his mental illness?
I’m not trying to win your approval or get you to think as I do, just as you won’t sway my thoughts as well.

That was a fantastic ride, wonderful show.
Whatevs...
 

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I will say....Erin is a huge loose end. I could definitely see her showing back up at some point. You know she's gonna tell her dad and the beating is gonna make sense to him at that point.
 

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from what i remember
shop clerk in first scene gets neck cut and there is splatter
2 money counters get tied up and the people grabbing the money get blown up but all that is offscreen

ruth knees mafia idiot in the gambinos and tosses him over the rail

Darlene punches Wendy

rival cartel dumps bodies outside navarro's (no onscreen violence)

Marty gets slapped (i think)

rival cartel hits money swap - most of that is drone shots and Ruth reaction shots

viewers wince when wyatt and darlene reenact Harold & Maude

Ruth gets stomped

Wendy punches Ben for being a ****up

Helen gets shot

what am i missing?
Helen and Ruth are the only major characters that have significant violence visited on them
Jane Lynch gets waterboarded.

You get bonus points for calling them "gambinos".
 

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I know all about the difference.
As it’s been written Marty and Wendy have their own personality issues lol. Glass houses and such.

And I will, for whatever reason I feel no sympathy for Ben. With how it’s been portrayed.
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He leaves and heads to the casino after being told how much of a bad idea that is. One thing is without doubt imo, he’s definitely written to be extremely ignorant and naive.
I think you’re responding to the same Ben problems I had but from a different vantage- in my long spoiler critique, I called Ben a macguffin. He’s just there to through dramatic tension into the story where it’s most effective
To the actor’s credit he makes him a legitimately interesting character (unlike Erin whose character has similar issues)
 

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I think you’re responding to the same Ben problems I had but from a different vantage- in my long spoiler critique, I called Ben a macguffin. He’s just there to through dramatic tension into the story where it’s most effective
To the actor’s credit he makes him a legitimately interesting character (unlike Erin whose character has similar issues)
I definitely agree that he is a good actor and portrayed the character well.

I’m just asserting that he’s written tremendously naive and ignorant imo. And that is not because he is bi-polar.
 

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I definitely agree that he is a good actor and portrayed the character well.

I’m just asserting that he’s written tremendously naive and ignorant imo. And that is not because he is bi-polar.
Well the show signals a few times that he has arrested development (sorry for the pun) of his teenage age year
But what I’m arguing is that what you’re trying to parse as ‘is it bipolar or just selfishness’ is moot bc I don’t think his ‘decision’ to go to the casino (either for Ruth or Wendy) were actual character decisions- the writers just needed/wanted the excuse to ramp up the drama
 

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Separate from naive and ignorant or is that all because of his mental illness?
I’m not trying to win your approval or get you to think as I do, just as you won’t sway my thoughts as well.

That was a fantastic ride, wonderful show.
Dude, it's a TV show, not real life.

We can take the commentary of mental illness people versus non-mental illness people's decision making to another thread. In this case, the writers of Ozark are attributing Ben's choices to his medical condition. End of story.

Move on! lol
 

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I thought the show did a great job portraying Ben as bipolar. After scrolling through the last page of comments, I think they absolutely nailed it. It's as if Ben is getting the treatment of a real life person with bipolar disorder.

I worked in a treatment facilities for many years and empathize with how many of you feel towards this character - annoyed, dismissive, and even pitiful. Patients with manic depression can be charming yet irritating. They seem childishly immature and selfish, yet loving and caring.

Whether or not you are interested in psychologically categorizing this behavior, it's societal effect remains the same, and the reaction is as polarizing as the manifestation itself.
 

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This show sticks with you for sure. I'm in the shower today thinking about Darlene meeting big Frank after handling Frank jr and find myself wondering if that's how it would play out in real life. Mob loves money but typically will pass on money to get even and protect family.
 

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This show sticks with you for sure. I'm in the shower today thinking about Darlene meeting big Frank after handling Frank jr and find myself wondering if that's how it would play out in real life. Mob loves money but typically will pass on money to get even and protect family.
yea, she shot the kids balls off... no way that goes over so easily
 

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