Pac Man Jones Interview on 103.3 ESPN (1 Viewer)

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firecouch said:
I totally see everyone's point on this. I just don't agree. If a team wants to deal with a guy with character issues, it should be their prerogative. Why do these men have to be heroes? As a kid, i was never drawn to the bad guys. So if I am able to do that, why aren't others?

I just hate seeing talent lost. I hate the Falcons, but, man did i love watching Mike Vick. Now, because people morally judged him (i would never hurt a dog), we will never see him play again. That is sad. And what about Ray Lewis?!!! why no beef with him?
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it's not about being role models for kids. It's about maintaining a certain level of professionalism. The NFL is BIG business nowadays, and big businesses aren't going to spend money on products that are involved in strip club shootings, dog fighting, etc.
 
firecouch said:
I totally see everyone's point on this. I just don't agree. If a team wants to deal with a guy with character issues, it should be their prerogative. Why do these men have to be heroes? As a kid, i was never drawn to the bad guys. So if I am able to do that, why aren't others?

I just hate seeing talent lost. I hate the Falcons, but, man did i love watching Mike Vick. Now, because people morally judged him (i would never hurt a dog), we will never see him play again. That is sad. And what about Ray Lewis?!!! why no beef with him?
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Vick committed a Felony bro, and he lied about it numerous time even to his boss.

Do you not think if you did that you'd get fired.

If you were involved in as many incidents as Pacman do you not think you'd get fired? So why should an athlete get chance after chance after chance just because he's fast, or tall, or has a strong arm??

Again.. the NFL commissioner (his boss) suspended him.
 
Ya'll almost had me until you mentioned Vick and Ray Lewis. Then I remembered that Pacman's posse was said to be responsible for a shooting that left a man crippled for life, then I woke up.

If you're around trouble that much, you're looking for it. Don't want that trouble around here. If we could get Pacman without the posse, then you might could talk me into it, but I doubt it.
 
if you want the facts from an unbiased source, please read this:

On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation. On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening, because he didn't have money at the time. On October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, it was alleged that Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion. The court ordered the probation extended for a period of 90 days, although the state requested it to be extended one year.

On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. She claimed that she did not steal anything and Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub.[23] On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.

Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home. The charges of marijuana possession in the same state were dismissed.[24]

On June 18, 2007 Jones was sought by police for questioning after a shooting at an Atlanta strip club allegedly involved members of his entourage. According to police at the scene, Jones was not present during the shooting, and is not being charged.[25]

On May 7, 2007, Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. Jones was driving his red 2004 Cadillac XLT he bought at police auction last fall. Police seized the Cadillac last spring in a drug bust. The car was not registered to Jones then, but he told a local TV reporter he had loaned the Cadillac to someone for a music video. Police called the man who had the car the main target of their investigation.


[edit] Las Vegas shooting case
On the morning of February 19, 2007 during the 2007 NBA All-Star Game weekend in Las Vegas, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. Jones and American rap artist Nelly patronized the club on the evening in question. Nelly began to shower the stage with hundreds of one-dollar bills, with fellow bad boy known only as Richard Rich, an act known as "making it rain." Jones then joined Nelly by throwing his own money for "visual effect." Club promoter Chris Mitchell then directed his dancers to collect the money. According to the club's co-owner, Jones became enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission. He allegedly grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life.[26] During this time Mitchell and a male associate left the club with a garbage bag filled with $81,020 of Jones' money and two Breitling watches, which police later recovered.[27]

After club patrons exited following the original confrontation, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. The guard was shot twice, and one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.[28]

More trouble followed Jones after the altercation, when drug dealer Darryl Moore reported to the police after being busted during a deal about his phone conversations with Jones. "We gotta slow down, man. We gotta get him focused on football, man. He's focused on too much other ****," Moore is alleged to have said. Wiretapped phone conversations between Moore and his friends revealed Moore talking about how Jones bet on college games to earn quick money. "You know, I was talkin' to him the other day about smokin', and he was like 'man, if I didn't smoke I couldn't take all the stress that I'm dealing with right now,'" Moore said.[29] Jones has not been connected to the Moore drug arrests or convicted for the Vegas stripper incident. But Titans management have said they will talk to Jones about his future with the Titans, and that there is always a possibility of letting him go. The NFL has issued an investigation into the situation, which is looking into setting up stricter penalties for off-field conduct.[30]

On June 20, 2007, the Las Vegas Police and Clark County District Attorney's office announced that Jones would face two felony charges stemming from the strip club melee.[31] But on November 13th, 2007, Jones accepted a plea deal[32]; on Dec. 6, Jones pleaded no contest to one charge of conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct, a misdemeanour. He was given a suspended prison sentence of a one-year, probation, and ordered to perform 200 hours of community service.[33]

On June 25, 2007, Tommy Urbanski and his wike Kathy sued Jones in civil court, claiming that Jones had bitten his left ankle, and was responsible for the shooting.[34]. The lawsuit also named the Tennessee Titans franchise and the NFL as defendants, on the grounds that Jones's employers knew of his erratic behavior prior to the Minxx incident but did not suspend him until afterwards. Had the Titans suspended Jones prior to the NBA All-Star game, the suit argues, he would not have been invited to the Las Vegas events, and the incident would not have taken place.[35]

if you truly read every word of this and believe anything that he says, i have some great real estate to sell you.
 
Maybe if the Saints played in Green Bay...Buffalo...Carolina....but they don't. They play in New Orleans. He'll be within minutes of Bourbon St. A guy like Pac Man doesn't all of a sudden become an angel overnight. The guy went to a strip club the night before he met with Roger Goodell. If you think he's going to come to New Orleans of all places and straighten up you're fooling yourselves. Good player who would fill a huge need for us, but no thanks unless his contract is heavily, heavily based on incentives.
 
keepoursaints said:
Vick committed a Felony bro, and he lied about it numerous time even to his boss.

Do you not think if you did that you'd get fired.

If you were involved in as many incidents as Pacman do you not think you'd get fired? So why should an athlete get chance after chance after chance just because he's fast, or tall, or has a strong arm??

Again.. the NFL commissioner (his boss) suspended him.
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Didn't Ray Lewis stab someone to death? How can he still be playing? Pacman did not kill anyone. Pacman got in a "bar fight" and, no, i would not get fired for a bar fight. Pacman got in trouble for public intoxication. No, i would not get fired for being intoxicated in public. Pacman got in trouble for vandalism. Again, i would not get fired for vandelism. Ray Lewis probably killed a dude!

and yes, Vick financed dog fighting. (i personally doubt he killed a dog with his hands) but it saddens me that i will never get to see him play again. he was an elite athelete.
 
you would think that by know he knows where trouble is and isn't, unless of course he is the trouble. skilled corner with a bit to much off the field in your face.
 
sycamoresaint said:
if you want the facts from an unbiased source, please read this:

On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation. On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening, because he didn't have money at the time. On October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, it was alleged that Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion. The court ordered the probation extended for a period of 90 days, although the state requested it to be extended one year.

On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. She claimed that she did not steal anything and Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub.[23] On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.

Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home. The charges of marijuana possession in the same state were dismissed.[24]

On June 18, 2007 Jones was sought by police for questioning after a shooting at an Atlanta strip club allegedly involved members of his entourage. According to police at the scene, Jones was not present during the shooting, and is not being charged.[25]

On May 7, 2007, Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. Jones was driving his red 2004 Cadillac XLT he bought at police auction last fall. Police seized the Cadillac last spring in a drug bust. The car was not registered to Jones then, but he told a local TV reporter he had loaned the Cadillac to someone for a music video. Police called the man who had the car the main target of their investigation.


[edit] Las Vegas shooting case
On the morning of February 19, 2007 during the 2007 NBA All-Star Game weekend in Las Vegas, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. Jones and American rap artist Nelly patronized the club on the evening in question. Nelly began to shower the stage with hundreds of one-dollar bills, with fellow bad boy known only as Richard Rich, an act known as "making it rain." Jones then joined Nelly by throwing his own money for "visual effect." Club promoter Chris Mitchell then directed his dancers to collect the money. According to the club's co-owner, Jones became enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission. He allegedly grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life.[26] During this time Mitchell and a male associate left the club with a garbage bag filled with $81,020 of Jones' money and two Breitling watches, which police later recovered.[27]

After club patrons exited following the original confrontation, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. The guard was shot twice, and one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.[28]

More trouble followed Jones after the altercation, when drug dealer Darryl Moore reported to the police after being busted during a deal about his phone conversations with Jones. "We gotta slow down, man. We gotta get him focused on football, man. He's focused on too much other ****," Moore is alleged to have said. Wiretapped phone conversations between Moore and his friends revealed Moore talking about how Jones bet on college games to earn quick money. "You know, I was talkin' to him the other day about smokin', and he was like 'man, if I didn't smoke I couldn't take all the stress that I'm dealing with right now,'" Moore said.[29] Jones has not been connected to the Moore drug arrests or convicted for the Vegas stripper incident. But Titans management have said they will talk to Jones about his future with the Titans, and that there is always a possibility of letting him go. The NFL has issued an investigation into the situation, which is looking into setting up stricter penalties for off-field conduct.[30]

On June 20, 2007, the Las Vegas Police and Clark County District Attorney's office announced that Jones would face two felony charges stemming from the strip club melee.[31] But on November 13th, 2007, Jones accepted a plea deal[32]; on Dec. 6, Jones pleaded no contest to one charge of conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct, a misdemeanour. He was given a suspended prison sentence of a one-year, probation, and ordered to perform 200 hours of community service.[33]

On June 25, 2007, Tommy Urbanski and his wike Kathy sued Jones in civil court, claiming that Jones had bitten his left ankle, and was responsible for the shooting.[34]. The lawsuit also named the Tennessee Titans franchise and the NFL as defendants, on the grounds that Jones's employers knew of his erratic behavior prior to the Minxx incident but did not suspend him until afterwards. Had the Titans suspended Jones prior to the NBA All-Star game, the suit argues, he would not have been invited to the Las Vegas events, and the incident would not have taken place.[35]

if you truly read every word of this and believe anything that he says, i have some great real estate to sell you.
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Poor guy can't catch a break. He's a good kid I swear.

:covri:
 
firecouch said:
Didn't Ray Lewis stab someone to death? How can he still be playing? Pacman did not kill anyone. Pacman got in a "bar fight" and, no, i would not get fired for a bar fight. Pacman got in trouble for public intoxication. No, i would not get fired for being intoxicated in public. Pacman got in trouble for vandalism. Again, i would not get fired for vandelism. Ray Lewis probably killed a dude!

and yes, Vick financed dog fighting. (i personally doubt he killed a dog with his hands) but it saddens me that i will never get to see him play again. he was an elite athelete.
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Have I in anyway endorced Ray Lewis? If I did, please point it out with a quote. I'm fairly certain, based on the thread title, that we're discussing Pacman Jones.

Pacman got in trouble for more than public intoxification.
 
Pac Man just doesn't get it. He's at the Lawrence Phillips level of ignorance. I'm sorry, as much as I would love to have a player of his caliber on the team, I know that he will get arrested again. I seriously hope that ends up being the worst of his problems, but I doubt it. He headed down a path leading to destruction. Thats sad to say, but I all of his actions say that he just doesn't get it. Maybe one day he will, maybe the suspension helped but I think Pac Man will end up in trouble before he helps a team.
 
I think that Pacman is always going to be one of those "I was at the wrong place & at the wrong time" kind of guys.....I'd pass on him.
 

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