Patriotswire writer proposes trade idea for Chris Olave (67 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

I'd rather sell a year early than a year late.

If he gets another concussion you're not getting anything outside a 6th rounder for him.

Normally I would agree but not if the player is more or less at their lowest value. I just don't think what we can get for him this year is worth not having him for a year and if he is healthy we can get a lot more at the trade deadline or next year if we pick up the 5th year option. Yes, you risk not getting whatever you would get this year but that's likely around a 3rd or 4th. I'd rather have one more year of Olave and a chance for it to move up the a 2nd or 1st even with the risk attached to it rather than just get a 3rd or 4th this year.

And, we have to look at this in the context of the plan the team has for this year. I think they should let Carr go, but since they aren't going to do that, they need to put the best team on the field. So, in my mind, if you are keeping Carr, you need to keep the best WR on the team even if there is risk that he gets hurt and tanks his value before you trade him.

That all being said, if Ward or Carter are on the board when the Patriots pick, I would do the deal in the first post of this thread.

 

[Merl]

I've never been an Olave fan. I like WRs who are adequate blockers and can be a threat after the catch. That's not Olave at all. His game is similar to Brandin Cooks, IMO.

The trouble with giving him another year is that this is his contract year. I realize we could take the 5th year option on him, and I'm not sure how the economics work on taking the 5th year option and then seeking a trade. I suppose that's possible. And if the logistics work, maybe that's a better way to go to potentially maximize his value.

I'd also want better compensation than what's being proposed on this Patriots forum. But I'm definitely interested in trading him and getting appropriate value sooner rather than later.

If the 5th option is used he gets 2026 fully guaranteed at $15.5M. If traded after it is applied his salary for this year and next year go to the new team. I don’t see any team wanting to trade for him if this happens.
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[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Normally I would agree but not if the player is more or less at their lowest value. I just don't think what we can get for him this year is worth not having him for a year and if he is healthy we can get a lot more at the trade deadline or next year if we pick up the 5th year option. Yes, you risk not getting whatever you would get this year but that's likely around a 3rd or 4th. I'd rather have one more year of Olave and a chance for it to move up the a 2nd or 1st even with the risk attached to it rather than just get a 3rd or 4th this year.

Fair. Just absolutely worth mentioning the gamble, you can take a 2nd now or keep him but he's always one hit away from losing his entire value. Also do you want to pay him when he's one hit away?

And, we have to look at this in the context of the plan the team has for this year. I think they should let Carr go, but since they aren't going to do that, they need to put the best team on the field. So, in my mind, if you are keeping Carr, you need to keep the best WR on the team even if there is risk that he gets hurt and tanks his value before you trade him.

Oh I absolutely agree our FO is completely delusional into thinking we can compete this year and instead of retooling for the future will keep Olave and try (and fail) to win. This is unfortunately completely true.

I would much rather move on from Carr and trade Olave to build for the future rather than continuing whatever we have been.

 

[MG3n2K5]

The only way you do something like that is if there's a generational player 5 spots ahead of you. For a QB or elite edge rusher maybe. Other than that, I just don't see this as adequate compensation.

- Abdul Carter, you absolutely do it but he'll be long gone.
- If Moore loves Cam Ward & he's there, you probably do it.
- Mason Graham, the only guy worth considering who might actually be there. I'd think about this one He is a tier above anybody you can find at 9 at a position of need & one harder to find than WR's. Also would have to factor in how Olave is with his concussions, how does his he feel about Carr throwing to him likely for the next two years, & what kind of contract he will he be due for (15.1 million option for next season followed by a much larger long term contract).

If you remove the 4th/5th round pick swap I might be on board with this one, of course they're may be a better deal out there also.

 

[meily]

I can feel an Olave trade coming. Just hope that the compensation is akin to what we got for Cooks - a late first rounder. It sucks, but it is what it is at this point.

I must have missed the tea leaves, but why do you see an Olave trade on the horizon?

 

[Merl]

When is the deadline to pickup the option?

Regardless the team is going to have the medical information on the concussion issue so they are in a better position to know how big of a risk it is.

May 1st

 

[St. Widge]

If the 5th option is used he gets 2026 fully guaranteed at $15.5M. If traded after it is applied his salary for this year and next year go to the new team. I don’t see any team wanting to trade for him if this happens.
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If he's healthy this year and puts up 1.000 yards, he would be a good value for a team at $15 million for one season. Anway, whoever you are trading him to would not doubt want to negotiate a contract extension before making the trade.

Obviously the risk is that he gets hurt this year and his value tanks. But, unless we can get a late first or early second for him this year, I'm willing to take that risk.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

If he's healthy this year and puts up 1.000 yards, he would be a good value for a team at $15 million for one season. Anway, whoever you are trading him to would not doubt want to negotiate a contract extension before making the trade.

Would he though?

What team is gonna trade a first for a WR that they need to pay AND is one hit away from retirement?

I don't think you're getting a first regardless.

 

[texasjefe]

If he gets another concussion you're not getting anything outside a 6th rounder for him.

If it's from another hospital ball, the tweetstorm will be phenomenal.

 

[St. Widge]

Would he though?

What team is gonna trade a first for a WR that they need to pay AND is one hit away from retirement?

I don't think you're getting a first regardless.

Maybe. But I think if he's healthy this year and puts up good number, a contender like Baltimore, KC or someone else that really needs a WR, might be willing to take the risk for a shot at a Super Bowl at the trade deadline. It's what inflated Lattimore's value last year. If we are competitive we keep him. If not trade him when his value should be the highest.

You might only get a second, but right now I think you would be lucky to get a 4th because he has not yet shown to be healthy and won't until he plays a decent portion of the season.

I'm also not sure how concerned NFL teams really are about concussions. They talk a good game, but they let guys like Tua play weeks after a concussion. Plus, lots of guys have had concussion issues that resolved. The biggest issue with concussions is that if they happen too close together with no time for the brain to heal, they are a short term risk. The large number over a long period of time is a long term health risk for the player, but not really an issue for a team.

Plus, every player in the NFL is one hit away from retirement.

 

[Merl]

If he's healthy this year and puts up 1.000 yards, he would be a good value for a team at $15 million for one season. Anway, whoever you are trading him to would not doubt want to negotiate a contract extension before making the trade.

Obviously the risk is that he gets hurt this year and his value tanks. But, unless we can get a late first or early second for him this year, I'm willing to take that risk.

It could have been much higher but he only qualified for the lowest of the 4 tiers since he didn’t have enough snaps or probowls in his 3 years. The 4th tier is $26.3M for a WR.

 

[saintfan1972]

The Madden game would reject that trade. That's absurd

 

[MG3n2K5]

The Madden game would reject that trade. That's absurd

I don't know if I would do it but this trade puts the value of Olave somewhere around the 22nd player in the 2nd round.
For a player with his concussion concerns entering the final year of his contract this offer is far from absurd.

 

[MV2]

And you only do that if they are on the clock at that QB or generation Edge rusher is on the board when they pick. I might make that trade if Ward or Carter is on the board when they pick. But those might be the only two I would do it for. Maybe Graham. Although Carter has a stress fracture in his foot that will need to be medically cleared.

I agree.

 

[MV2]

Adequate compensation?

Olave is a #2 at best reciever who is about to get paid and is one hit away from retirement.

Sell while you still can.

Give up Olave and move back on one of your picks to move up 5 spots? You want to go into the season with Shaheed & Bub Means as your two best receivers? I don't.