Pelosi for Speaker or nah? (1 Viewer)

Nancy?

  • Voted Democrat - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 12 18.8%
  • Voted Democrat - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 37 57.8%
  • Voted Republican - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Voted Republican - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • Tacoes/wasted my vote

    Votes: 4 6.3%

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I voted D for my house rep, but I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be excited about Nancy Pelosi being the speaker again. Pretty sure those that voted R are probably more excited about having that boogieman/punching bag for the next 2 years. So lets have a pole!

Since there may be some split voters (lololol) let's assume we're talking about who we voted for in the House.
 

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I voted tacos. But as I usually tend to lean R I have no issue voting D if I feel closely/more aligned with them. That being said I hope they make Tim Ryan (D-Mn) the SotH. I watched an interview with him on that bastagely FNC around a year ago and have been impressed with him since.
 
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I voted tacos. But as I usually tend to lean R I have no issue voting D if I feel closely/more aligned with them. That being said I hope they make Tim Ryan (D-Mn) the SotH. I watched an interview with him on that bastagely FNC around a year ago and have been impressed with him since.
Yea he's good. I appreciate you throwing a name out there, since it's really easy to hate on something/someone without offering an alternative.
At this point I think it just needs to be someone new just for the sake of it--they don't need to be particularly inspiring. House speakers are meant to do the behind the scenes work. They aren't there to make headlines, especially in this climate when most headlines are Trump quotes.
 

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I truly do not like the idea of Pelosi as Speaker again. If the Dems want to know why the message (what is it again?) continues to not get through to Americans, look at the retreads they continue to put in power. Pelosi is the biggest example after the Clintons.
 

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I voted tacos. But as I usually tend to lean R I have no issue voting D if I feel closely/more aligned with them. That being said I hope they make Tim Ryan (D-Mn) the SotH. I watched an interview with him on that bastagely FNC around a year ago and have been impressed with him since.
Was Ryan the guy that tried to challenge her for the minority leadership role after the 2016 elections?
 

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I'd hope they make her a short-term Speaker in kind of a transitional role if they do. I know it's popular to hate her, but there's no ACA without her. She has a talent for fundraising, and she's good at getting her caucus in line when it's important. I think it's about time for a younger leadership to take foot in the Democratic party (starting with replacing Schumer...he showed he's completely unfit for the job when he fast-tracked dozens of lifetime judicial appointments for McConnell so everyone could go home to campaign for a few days), but I'd understand giving Pelosi one last push. She was at least effective in her role.
 

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I think what would be best is that the Democrats choose a new face for Speaker who won't be such an easy target for the Republicans, the bloggers and talking heads. There has got to be someone who could provide the kind of leadership the House needs without being a lightning rod. But the most logical choices after Pelosi -- Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn -- are as old as Pelosi, so they wouldn't exactly be "fresh faces." Tim Ryan and Linda Sanchez have made too many enemies among Pelosi's friends and I don't know that anyone can rise to speaker having challenged Pelosi as directly as they have. So I think we are stuck with her and the theater that is sure to follow between her, Trump and the media.
 

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I voted Democrat up and down the ticket in Nevada... and I was glad about the results generally. It was more a matter of voting AGAINST Republicans. Republican Senator Dean Heller was ousted... but he had no chance, due to having to vote on repealing the ACA. If he voted against repeal, he was going to face a significant challenge in the primary, and likely would have lost. If he voted for repeal, he wouldn't face a real primary challenge... but his prospects in the general were bleak. Heller was by no means a wing nut, but Trump threatened him over the ACA vote, and he grew closer to the Orange One as a result. His opponent Democrat Jacky Rosen very skillfully used that vote against him.

If the Democrats in the House elect Pelosi speaker then they are incredibly stupid.
 

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I'd hope they make her a short-term Speaker in kind of a transitional role if they do. I know it's popular to hate her, but there's no ACA without her. She has a talent for fundraising, and she's good at getting her caucus in line when it's important. I think it's about time for a younger leadership to take foot in the Democratic party (starting with replacing Schumer...he showed he's completely unfit for the job when he fast-tracked dozens of lifetime judicial appointments for McConnell so everyone could go home to campaign for a few days), but I'd understand giving Pelosi one last push. She was at least effective in her role.
Nancy Pelosi is probably the strongest endorsement of the power of the Republican propaganda machine.

And to further that point, I’m actually on the bandwagon of replacing her because I don’t think she can overcome that baggage.

That said, one thing that is always pretty absent in the rhetoric against Pelosi, is, well, substance.

She is a twenty year veteran lawmaker that still enjoys overwhelming support in her district, she is pretty much scandal free compared to almost any other veteran lawmaker in such positions over the same period(I mean I guess there was that time Judicial Watch tried to frame her as an elitist bag woman for the far left because she flew around in a state payed for 747....which turned out to be a demand and requirement by the Bush admin for security purposes), she voted against the Iraq War, was one of the earlier people to smell something was wrong with the torture program(though like almost everyone at the time, extending early trust in the administration), passed a more robust and better version of the ACA, a better stimulus package, got a meaningful climate change bill through the house, has shown a mastery of unifying her caucus in a way no one has as leader in decades, was an early defender of gay marriage, marijuana decriminalizatuon, and despite being framed as a far left socialist she actually has done an impressive job at being progressive but keeping the left of the party in check and not overplaying their legislative hand to the point of eroding public or internal support. And if one steps back it is hard to find many more politicians that have been on the right side of history as much as she has while serving as long as she has.
 
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I'd hope they make her a short-term Speaker in kind of a transitional role if they do. I know it's popular to hate her, but there's no ACA without her. She has a talent for fundraising, and she's good at getting her caucus in line when it's important. I think it's about time for a younger leadership to take foot in the Democratic party (starting with replacing Schumer...he showed he's completely unfit for the job when he fast-tracked dozens of lifetime judicial appointments for McConnell so everyone could go home to campaign for a few days), but I'd understand giving Pelosi one last push. She was at least effective in her role.
As much as I would love to see a change, she's pretty formidable as a fund raiser and she doesn't lose very often. Regardless of who takes the spot, Republicans will make them a divisive figure. She needs to accept the current wave of new members and embrace liberal platform.
 

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I voted tacos. But as I usually tend to lean R I have no issue voting D if I feel closely/more aligned with them. That being said I hope they make Tim Ryan (D-Mn) the SotH. I watched an interview with him on that bastagely FNC around a year ago and have been impressed with him since.
I could be wrong, but Tim Ryan is from Ohio.
 

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As much as I would love to see a change, she's pretty formidable as a fund raiser and she doesn't lose very often. Regardless of who takes the spot, Republicans will make them a divisive figure. She needs to accept the current wave of new members and embrace liberal platform.
She is, but at the same time, I actually think that is growing to be one of the weaker points in her favor given how the trends have started shifting in Democratic party funding and even more so the way that game is sort of played. Like with Republicans, everything is getting more and more decentralized and is as much or more dependent on the candidate and the pet causes of the rich donors than it is getting some insider to network and get money for the DNC or DCCC.

And I always wondered a bit how much additional funding does she really bring compared to the alternatives? I'm not saying she isnt the clear cut leader in that department, she clearly is, and I think Tim Ryan would take a step down, but how much of a hit would that actually be when most of the money that gets sloshed around is spent directly on candidates or pet causes by the contributors themselves? Not to mention the numbers are a bit misleading, for instance she will claim that she raised 47 million last year for the DCCC. Which sounds fantastic, except her digitally stamped signature is on most emails that go out and if you happen to donate through that link she is going to count that as her fundraising. Is that accurate, I guess technically, but is it contextually what we tend to think when someone says they raised 47 million for an organization, nearly half of their total revenue? So there is a bit of a chicken and egg problem I guess. Is she actually driving a lot of those donations or is she just the beneficiary of people finally writing that check or dolling out that credit card because her name happens to be on the largest portion of funding letters and drive events? Which presumably the next person up will get the benefit of as well?

Again, I am actually sort of a supporter of Pelosi, as she tends to do the right things more often than not, play by the rules(often to a fault like constantly implementing and standing behind rules her Republican colleagues laugh at like the Pay-Go rule), and has been on the right side of history as much as any politician that has served as long as she has, but still, on that front I've started getting a bit more side eyed after reading how that calculation works.
 
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Nancy Pelosi is probably the strongest endorsement of the power of the Republican propaganda machine.

And to further that point, I’m actually on the bandwagon of replacing her because I don’t think she can overcome that baggage.

That said, one thing that is always pretty absent in the rhetoric against Pelosi, is, well, substance.

She is a twenty year veteran lawmaker that still enjoys overwhelming support in her district, she is pretty much scandal free compared to almost any other veteran lawmaker in such positions over the same period(I mean I guess there was that time Judicial Watch tried to frame her as an elitist bag woman for the far left because she flew around in a state payed for 747....which turned out to be a demand and requirement by the Bush admin for security purposes), she voted against the Iraq War, was one of the earlier people to smell something was wrong with the torture program(though like almost everyone at the time, extending early trust in the administration), passed a more robust and better version of the ACA, a better stimulus package, got a meaningful climate change bill through the house, has shown a mastery of unifying her caucus in a way no one has as leader in decades, was an early defender of gay marriage, marijuana decriminalizatuon, and despite being framed as a far left socialist she actually has done an impressive job at being progressive but keeping the left of the party in check and not overplaying their legislative hand to the point of eroding public or internal support. And if one steps back it is hard to find many more politicians that have been on the right side of history as much as she has while serving as long as she has.
I get it. She doesn't really deserve all the flack she gets. But everyone's just sick of her, whether or not its fair.

And I don't mean to be that guy, but to me she also is the political face of the "Hollywood Liberals" - the perpetually pearl-clutching "How Dare You" PC crowd that everyone loves to hate. Maybe it's just because she's the one that gets the mic put in front of her. But I wish she'd take a page out of the Mitch McConnell book. Shrug off the noise from the other side (no matter how outrageous the Trump tweet) and just move forward with your business.
 
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Seems like there's a pretty good consensus on this.

I emailed my congressman with my thoughts on the matter. If only SR.com poles were taken as seriously by the powers-that-be as they should be . :jpshakehead:
 

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Why are we asking this question and not ask the same about McConnell?

The dems pr wing is such a shirty state. Or the party can't wrestle with it's various divisions within itself. There is a clear rival and the question isn't whether she is doing her job well steering the factions within the party stay loyal to your agenda. Its shes bad image wise. Well, there are plenty in the reps side with terrible image...

This midterm showed there are plenty of dem voters (7% more), but you are worried about the reps base??????? 50.4 % voted for R in nc and they got 10 out of 12 seats. But it's Pelosi s fault????
 

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