Pelosi for Speaker or nah? (1 Viewer)

Nancy?

  • Voted Democrat - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 12 18.8%
  • Voted Democrat - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 37 57.8%
  • Voted Republican - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Voted Republican - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • Tacoes/wasted my vote

    Votes: 4 6.3%

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I voted D for my house rep, but I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be excited about Nancy Pelosi being the speaker again. Pretty sure those that voted R are probably more excited about having that boogieman/punching bag for the next 2 years. So lets have a pole!

Since there may be some split voters (lololol) let's assume we're talking about who we voted for in the House.
 

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i vote str8 socialist/progressive/SJW/snowflake/white guilt whenever i can, bit I'll say i don't know much about the arm twisting, backroom shenanigans that go into making a a good speaker

i do however feel strongly that Dems should do what they think is best for them and not considering how Fox and friends will react to Dem moves - the opposition is going to do its worst regardless so don't even bother trying to soft peddle
 

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Why are we asking this question and not ask the same about McConnell?
I hate his guts. I think he's the scum of the earth, and one of the worst things to happen to American politics in generations. The glee with which he plays the game and tries to take away healthcare from people and worsen the economic divide through tax policy makes me sick. And with that being (generally) public knowledge, his caucus picked up 3 seats in the midterms. Favorable map and whatever, but a win is a win.

He should absolutely be the party leader in the Senate because nobody could do a better job for that party. Despite what I think of his positions or methods, he's unquestionably effective at what he does.
 

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I hate his guts. I think he's the scum of the earth, and one of the worst things to happen to American politics in generations. The glee with which he plays the game and tries to take away healthcare from people and worsen the economic divide through tax policy makes me sick. And with that being (generally) public knowledge, his caucus picked up 3 seats in the midterms. Favorable map and whatever, but a win is a win.

He should absolutely be the party leader in the Senate because nobody could do a better job for that party. Despite what I think of his positions or methods, he's unquestionably effective at what he does.
McConnell is directly responsible for ruining the Senate much like Gingrinch ruined the House. Their "no holds barred" type of politics leave no room for compromise or bipartisanship.

As for the SOH, I only have one problem with Pelosi taking the helm again and that is the fact that they lost the House under her watch due to complacency. Other than that, I am fine with her because, lets be real here, it doesn't matter who the Dems select, the R's will paint them as the most liberal, socialist, ANTIFA loving, open border, and pro-crime person to ever walk the Earth.
 

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I get it. She doesn't really deserve all the flack she gets. But everyone's just sick of her, whether or not its fair.

And I don't mean to be that guy, but to me she also is the political face of the "Hollywood Liberals" - the perpetually pearl-clutching "How Dare You" PC crowd that everyone loves to hate. Maybe it's just because she's the one that gets the mic put in front of her. But I wish she'd take a page out of the Mitch McConnell book. Shrug off the noise from the other side (no matter how outrageous the Trump tweet) and just move forward with your business.
Well that is sort of my point, so I guess we kind of agree with each other.

She, like other long-standing women in politics, one in particular, has been vilified in disproportionate ways for the last several decades. And unfortunately it has worked. And it's not fair, it's not right, it's not something I'm proud to play into, but it sort of is what it is and if you want a united front, if you want to continue this momentum going forward, I sort of think that some new blood is a good thing for the Democratic leadership.


All that said, I think whatever vilifying is likely to happen is likely to get quickly overshadowed by the time people start really caring again pre-2020(I mean how many people really cared about theist majority of Trump improprieties in 2017? sad but true, most people have a few month attention span and thats about it) because once Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Beto O'Rourke, Bernie Sanders, and Corey Booker start making their announcements and getting thrown front and center into the news cycle, Nancy Pelosi is going to be an afterthought reserved exclusively to the same base that is going to go along with hyperventilating anyone in the seat. It's gonna be that horse race that takes center stage and vies for the label of "party leader," not Nancy Pelosi. So if Nancy gets control of the gavel I don't quite have nearly the same long-term concern others seem to exhibit here and in the punditry class, she's likely to be relegated to a third or fourth tier figure outside of investigations and legislative squabbles in the next year or so.
 
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And I don't mean to be that guy, but to me she also is the political face of the "Hollywood Liberals" - the perpetually pearl-clutching "How Dare You" PC crowd that everyone loves to hate.
This is extreme generalization. We need less of this if we want to heal the divides and make things better.
 

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I hate his guts. I think he's the scum of the earth, and one of the worst things to happen to American politics in generations. The glee with which he plays the game and tries to take away healthcare from people and worsen the economic divide through tax policy makes me sick. And with that being (generally) public knowledge, his caucus picked up 3 seats in the midterms. Favorable map and whatever, but a win is a win.

He should absolutely be the party leader in the Senate because nobody could do a better job for that party. Despite what I think of his positions or methods, he's unquestionably effective at what he does.
My point exactly. Pelosi is good at what she does. McConnell is good at what he does. Both are hated by the opposing base. Yet one base is hypersensitive about how the other base feels and is willing to acquiesce.
 

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As I've said before, let Pelosi lead from behind the scenes and find someone, anyone with the ability to speak in clear, concise terms who's got just a little more charisma than an artichoke to be the face of the party.

Let Pelosi do the wheeling, the dealing, the dirty backstabbing (if that's what it takes) to get an agenda created and let The Face go out and sell it.
 

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As I've said before, let Pelosi lead from behind the scenes and find someone, anyone with the ability to speak in clear, concise terms who's got just a little more charisma than an artichoke to be the face of the party.

Let Pelosi do the wheeling, the dealing, the dirty backstabbing (if that's what it takes) to get an agenda created and let The Face go out and sell it.
agreed - I think in today's political landscape, especially now - that there's a place for her political shrewdness but in this cult of personality era, the Face is important.
 

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It looks like Tulsi Gabbard is running for president in 2020, but if she does not.. She would be my far and away pick.
 

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This has been in the news a bit today...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/politics/nancy-pelosi-speaker-opposition-rebellion-house-democrats/index.html

The Democrats, Reps. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts and Filemon Vela of Texas, contended that their private conversations revealed that Pelosi would soon learn that she lacked backing within the full House to be elected speaker next year -- despite her confidence that she would lock down the necessary support.

"I am 100% confident we can forge new leadership," Vela told CNN.

Asked how confident they were that they could defeat Pelosi, Moulton also said: "100%."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/14/pelosi-speaker-votes-989968

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi swiped at her critics Wednesday, vowing in no uncertain terms to vanquish her opponents and become speaker in the next Congress.

The California Democrat brushed aside Rep. Seth Moulton's suggestion Tuesday night that he is “100 percent confident” that she does not have the votes to be speaker.

“I’m a busy person, but I will be the speaker of the House no matter what he said,” Pelosi told reporters as she exited a closed-door caucus meeting Wednesday morning.
We'll see how it plays out, and who's right and who's wrong. Count me with those who want new leadership, preferably someone born after 1960 who represents a district in neither a west or east coast state. I appreciate and respect what Pelosi has accomplished, but until a presidential candidate is nominated in 2020 the Speaker of the House will be the highest ranking elected Democrat in the nation, and will effectively be the face of the Democratic Party. I just don't think she's the right person for that role going forward.
 
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This has been in the news a bit today...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/politics/nancy-pelosi-speaker-opposition-rebellion-house-democrats/index.html



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/14/pelosi-speaker-votes-989968



We' see how it plays out, and who's right and who's wrong. Count me with those who want new leadership, preferably someone born after 1960 who represents a district in neither a west or east coast state. I appreciate and respect what Pelosi has accomplished, but until a presidential candidate is nominated in 2020 the Speaker of the House will be the highest ranking elected Democrat in the nation, and will effectively be the face of the Democratic Party. I just don't think she's the right person for that role going forward.
Agreed
 

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As I've said before, let Pelosi lead from behind the scenes and find someone, anyone with the ability to speak in clear, concise terms who's got just a little more charisma than an artichoke to be the face of the party.

Let Pelosi do the wheeling, the dealing, the dirty backstabbing (if that's what it takes) to get an agenda created and let The Face go out and sell it.
Agree. She would make a great Whip but listening to her speak is nails on a chalkboard for me. She isn't the ideal voice or face for the Dem party. I think House Dems need to look at polling for if the public wants her as the Speaker.
 

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Pelosi is horrible and when Trump wins a second term, it's going to be at the hands of useless centrist neo-libs like her. She should've been voted out years ago.

Dems get the house back and first thing they do is urge bipartisanship and request Trump's tax returns. God, we are screwed.
 

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