Pelosi for Speaker or nah? (1 Viewer)

Nancy?

  • Voted Democrat - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 12 18.8%
  • Voted Democrat - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 37 57.8%
  • Voted Republican - Yes on Pelosi

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Voted Republican - No on Pelosi

    Votes: 8 12.5%
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    Votes: 4 6.3%

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I voted D for my house rep, but I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be excited about Nancy Pelosi being the speaker again. Pretty sure those that voted R are probably more excited about having that boogieman/punching bag for the next 2 years. So lets have a pole!

Since there may be some split voters (lololol) let's assume we're talking about who we voted for in the House.
 

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Pelosi is horrible and when Trump wins a second term, it's going to be at the hands of useless centrist neo-libs like her. She should've been voted out years ago.

Dems get the house back and first thing they do is urge bipartisanship and request Trump's tax returns. God, we are screwed.
So this is a good example of what I said on the first page, again I’m sort of coming down on the side of replacing, but useless? Horrible? To the point of this level of catastrophizing?

The Democrats first goal seems to be passing a number of pieces of legislation, including campaign finance reform, voting rights reforms that would benefit more left wing candidates like you support, shoring up a number of social programs by rescinding a number of top end tax breaks, and looking into a number of credible allegations of corruption in the Trump administration.

Like be more specific though, give some concrete examples, tell me who is a better fit(do better than “anyone”). Because fact of the matter is you can’t govern or win simply on a far left platform, this election showed that pretty decisively. There is certainly a lot more responsiveness to democratic-socialist ideals, but revolutionary, full on economic socialistic style left wing politics(which I assume you are inferring)? I didn’t see much evidence of that, so governing in that direction or manner doesn’t seem very wise. Healthily left of center policy wise(which includes things like single payer now) seems to be the sweet spot and I need a stronger case as to why that should change in favor of what you say?
 
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Anyone have any familiarity with Marcia Fudge? I honestly never heard of her before a few days ago, but I think she has pretty good insight on why many people are opposed to another Pelosi speakership.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marcia-fudge-toying-speaker-run-160559585.html

Fudge also suggested Pelosi is simply unpopular with Democrats. She pointed to polling suggesting that Pelosi has a 17 percent favorability rating, and that more Democrats oppose Pelosi being speaker than those who support her.

Fudge ventured that one of the reasons people don’t like Pelosi is because “they see her as an elitist.”

“And I think to some degree she is,” Fudge continued. “She’s a very wealthy person. She raises a lot of money from a lot of other wealthy people.”

“Everybody wants to give her such big credit for winning back the House, and she should be here because she won. She didn’t win it by herself,” Fudge said.

“If we’re going to give her credit for the wins, why is she not responsible for all the losses?” Fudge asked, pointing to the 63 seats Democrats lost in 2010 and the large majorities Republicans held in 2012, 2014 and 2016.
 

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maybe someone's already mentioned this, if so apologies
but evidently Maddow pointed out an interesting dynamic playing out
Pelosi presides over a crushing victory for Dems and she's being asked to stp down
Schumer's senate treads water during a huge blue wave and no one says peep about him
(yes, not quite an equivalency) but i thought it was an interesting perspective
 
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maybe someone's already mentioned this, if so apologies
but evidently Maddow pointed out an interesting dynamic playing out
Pelosi presides over a crushing victory for Dems and she's being asked to stp down
Schumer's senate treads water during a huge blue wave and no one says peep about him
(yes, not quite an equivalency) but i thought it was an interesting perspective
It is ironic, but honestly how much credit should actually go to Pelosi/Schumer for the election results? And I wouldn't mind seeing new leadership in the Senate either. Anecdotally, when the next session opens I'll have a Democratic congressman (Jason Crow) for the first time since I moved to the 'burbs almost 20 years ago, and one of his campaign promises was that he was not going to support Pelosi, and he's not alone among incoming Freshmen.
 

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I think it’s good to have an old timer running things because they best understand how things are run. I’m warming to Speaker Pelosi.

I think the new blood should be given the reigns when it comes to driving the content of the legislation. The old guard’s ideas are tired.
 
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I think it’s good to have an old timer running things because they best understand how things are run.
And that is a good point. At the same time, no one's calling for her to resign from the House or saying that she can't use her knowledge and skills to help get stuff done behind the scenes, just that it would be nice for her not to be the face of the Party.
 

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maybe someone's already mentioned this, if so apologies
but evidently Maddow pointed out an interesting dynamic playing out
Pelosi presides over a crushing victory for Dems and she's being asked to stp down
Schumer's senate treads water during a huge blue wave and no one says peep about him
(yes, not quite an equivalency) but i thought it was an interesting perspective
Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Chuck ousted as well. The entire party needs to be reshaped.
 

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And that is a good point. At the same time, no one's calling for her to resign from the House or saying that she can't use her knowledge and skills to help get stuff done behind the scenes, just that it would be nice for her not to be the face of the Party.
I think the younger generation is going to become the face of the party regardless.

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Trump is offering Republican votes to help Pelosi become speaker. There is a reason Dems who flipped seats promised to not vote for her. She isn't liked among Ds or Rs.
 

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Trump is just trolling her. Rs in Congress know a vote for Pelosi ends their tenure in the House.

I wish the democrats would call Trump on this. Make it so she'd need a handful of Republican votes. He'd probably try to talk some of his sycophants into voting for her, and some of them would.
 

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I think she'd be good for the transition. She's got the chops and also raised a shirtload of money for all these freshmen Congressmen to even get elected. Don't bite the hand that feeds you and also has the balls (figuratively) to stand up to the douche bag in the White House. After the transition, I think someone should challenge her.
 

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/marcia-fudge-nancy-pelosi-house-speakers-race/index.html

Fudge now supports Pelosi. I think the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) pretty much told her to step down. Her disparaging remarks about Pelosi probably didn't go over well. It also may be that Clyburn loses the whip position if Fudge puts real pressure on Pelosi. I also think Fudge would lose moderate Ds with her statements such as:

“And so I’m saying, what is wrong with acknowledging the fact that the Democratic Party is becoming more young, more black, and more brown?” Fudge said. “And letting that be reflected in our leadership.”

Using race as a justification for a position doesn't play well. Comments like this could push moderate white voters towards the white identity politics of Rs.
 

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