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Drew has been more amazing then selfish but sometimes that's just enough to keep you from winning.
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I agree. Brees had every right. And I just don’t see how we wasted anything. Who did we deprive of a great Super Bowl run? Taysom? Winston? No. Brees was still our best chance.
it didn’t work. Move on.
I will begrudgingly admit that the Brady boy is the Goat (esp since the NFL will never let him lose next week, the fix is in)- BUT no one can say that Brees isnt the 2nd best of all time.. not a Manning, or Rodgers, or anyone who’s name isnt Drew Brees.. Dan Marino might have a case if he had even one ring, but DB it is.
ETA i hate the idea of “2nd place”
“Lying to themselves”? LOOOOOOOOL, that was a good one. You should do stand-up comedy.What's really laughable are the people lying to themselves. I can't stand brady,but he's the goat.
Bandwagon?I blame ESPN and social media for encouraging bandwagon threads such as this.
That argument of the AFC east went out the window this year considering he just whipped up on the NFC. There is no consensus in the NBA on the goat but Russell is in the discussion. I'm not a Brady fan but he is the best QB we've seen so far.I ask this question, is Brady the GOAT or is he Bill Russell? Russell won 11 NBA championships in 13 years as a vital cog in a franchise with great coach, great players around him and easy path to NBA finals every year. Not one pro bowl QB in the rest of the AFC East for Brady’s entire career. Total incompetency of Bills, Jets, and Dolphins allowed for best record in AFC year after year giving Pats byes, the first round game against weakest playoff team, then home field in AFC championship. Also, Belichick’s coaching and Pats defense oftentimes bailed him out of bad performances in playoffs and Super Bowls. Just imagine Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers or Brees in that AFC East for 20 years with those advantages.
Based on accomplishments, yes, you've gotta give it to him. And in the moment that mattered most for that argument (IMO), round 3 against the Bucs, TB12 performed and DB9 did not. One game should not redefine an entire career, but that one hurt DB9 a LOT. Want proof? Imagine a world where the Saints won last week against the Bucs & TB12, sweeping them 3 times in 1 season. DB9 would've moved to 6-2 against TB12 teams and would've been discussed as TBs "kryptonite". Possibly open up discussions regarding their favorably comparative stats and "what if their careers had been flip-flopped on opposite teams." DB9 would obviously have AT LEAST 6 SBS, but what would TB12 have, given some of those horrendous Saints defenses. You know....the ones where the gap between the #32 ranked Saints and #31 was greater than the gap between #31 and #1? When we lost that game, those theoretical discussions were also lost. Now, those discussions are about as likely as me being born richer & better looking.
With all that said, I still view DB9 as the GOAT. And here's why: I see football as the ultimate team sport, and I see Lombardis as the ultimate TEAM trophy. QBs are probably the most important player on their team, certainly responsible for more than 1/22 of the team's success, but NFL history is littered with all-time great QBs who never won a SB (Jim Kelly & Dan Marino, for starters), as well as also-rans with SB victories (T. Dilfer, B. Johnson, D. Williams, & others). Are the 2nd group of QBs better than the first group? I don't think ANYONE would be willing to defend that argument.
So why is the 1st group considered great? Because they elevated the play of the players around them! There presence made average players into good players; and good players into great ones. When TB12 had a "sub-par" season, it was because TB12 "couldn't do it by himself" and the Pats needed fresh infusions of talent. TB12's success with the Bucs only reinforces that narrative, considered the talent on that team before he arrived. OTOH, when players left the Saints roster for other teams (especially offensive players), they were viewed as "products of the system, benefitting from having played with Brees." Jimmy Graham is a perfect example....Superstar with DB9....also-ran with Seahawks & Packers. Why does TB12 need sufficient talent around him to be successful, while those around DB9 are successful BECAUSE of him? That argument leads me to this conclusion...
For me, it isn't about the Lombardis (a team award) or MVPs (a popularity vote). It's about elevating the players around you. And DB9 is in the same air as Marino. Does anyone believe the Dolphins of the 80s or 90s were playoff contenders without Marino? For those not old enough to know, does anyone think the Saints were better than a 7-9 or 9-7 teams over the past 16 years without DB9? We'll never know for certain, but I think that NO ONE has done more, with less, for as long as DB9. That's why he's my GOAT....and probably always will be?!
some i agree with, but refs didn't cost us the divisional around against the bucs...we lost that game on our ownYes. Clearly Brady could have led the Bucs to the Super Bowl even without them bringing in a top TE, a top receiver, a good RB to add to their pretty stacked lineup. They also have the best refs money can buy.
I could maybe be convinced that Brady is the SBOAT. Second Best of All Time. Goat? Nope.