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I should mention that I have a dual layer dvd that contains all of their music up until The Division Bell that a fan made into DTS 5.1 that's also 96/24. For any album that's not Darkside, Wish or Meddle than you would want to hear this version. This guy did an excellent job. I'm willing to share if anyone wants, just need shipping money and like a dollar for the disc. Oh, Meddle is available in 5.1 right now on a blu-ray. I have that too. It was a part of this 200 dollar collection that you can find on amazon. There are multiple collections and Obscured By Clouds in 5.1 is in one of those as well. For some reason they barely advertise that Meddle and Obscured are in 5.1, it's like it's a secret.

Edit: Okay I now know why 5.1 Meddle and Obscured was like a secret. What happened was when this 28 cd, something like 7 blu-rays and dvds and I believe some vinyls was announced (The Early Years) they were doing it. Then apparently most of the band chose a producer and did the work and when the lone member got wind of it he didn't have enough time to approve it so he didn't. Then they successfully removed Obscured while Meddle became hidden on one of the discs, I'm guessing the one it was supposed to be on. They fixed the issue after the very first pressing. Since then they have chopped the whole box set up into around 5 pieces at a much more decent price but with both removed (if you can find the whole box set it's over 500 now). Two other things I learned is that the album Atom Heart Mother is on one of these sub boxes in 4.0 and that the word is The Wall will be getting a 5.1 SACD on it's 40th anniversary which is next year.
 
I'm not saying it's bad or anything but that **** is bleak and depressing as hell. I like their earlier stuff better, it's more freewheeling and breezy and also doesn't make me want to go stick a gun in my mouth.

Meddle is probably my favorite
 
I'm not saying it's bad or anything but that **** is bleak and depressing as hell. I like their earlier stuff better, it's more freewheeling and breezy and also doesn't make me want to go stick a gun in my mouth.

Meddle is probably my favorite

I don't know what to say to someone saying Animals makes them want to stick a gun in their mouth. Musically it's excellent. Lyrically it's excellent. In fact Dogs may be their best song. But hey that's just my opinion.
 
I don't know what to say to someone saying Animals makes them want to stick a gun in their mouth. Musically it's excellent. Lyrically it's excellent. In fact Dogs may be their best song. But hey that's just my opinion.

Gosh I can't possibly imagine why anybody would think this is depressing:

You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.

And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.

Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend.
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
And everything's done under the sun,
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.

Who was born in a house full of pain.
Who was trained not to spit in the fan.
Who was told what to do by the man.
Who was broken by trained personnel.
Who was fitted with collar and chain.
Who was given a pat on the back.
Who was breaking away from the pack.
Who was only a stranger at home.
Who was ground down in the end.
Who was found dead on the phone.
Who was dragged down by the stone.

**** man, if that don't bring you down I don't know what does.
 
retro, if you think Dogs or any other songs from Animals is bleak and depressing, try listening to most of the Wall or the Final Cut. Although lyrically both the Wall and Final Cut are excellent, by the early 80's the Floyd's musical tendencies were starting to grate. Animals, IMHO, was probably the inevitable start of a trend where Pink Floyd's music and lyrics became more of a vehicle for Roger Waters' ideas than a truly legitimate 4-way partnership where everyone may not written some or most of the songs, but at least most helped arrange the music on the songs, like Rick Wright. This was the last Floyd album w/Waters where Wright really contributed at least something of substance before cocaine abuse made him complete liability to the band and Waters and Wright never really were the best of friends even back in band's early days with Syd. As heated and contentious as Waters' feud was getting and would get with Gilmour, it was more of an one-sided rivalry where Waters held all the cards, all the leverage against Wright and he used it effectively during the Wall sessions in Nice, France Waters wanted Wright to actually record the album's keyboard parts early before Christmas holidays and Rick hadn't seen or talked to his family in quite some time due to his divorce and his self-esteem ruined because of his drug use marginalizing his creative role within the band. Well, he told Roger no, and Waters replied that if he didn't immediately record his keyboard sections, quit the band and play the Wall shows as a paid salaried employee, Roger would basically quash the whole album. And that's a threat that Wright knew Roger was more then capable of doing knowing his autocratic personality, I can't state that enough for those here unaware of PF's history, band's inner turmoil and conflicts, just how difficult and intimidating Roger Waters is to know and to work with. If you don't have super-thick skin or be physically tall like 6"4 or more, he'll either you embarrass, antagonize, humiliate you or you'll end up wanting to deck him in the face. He's made enemies from fellow rock stars, Hollywood directors like Alan Parker who directed the film version of the Wall, even his closest former bandmate Nick Mason eventually sided with Gilmour in there mid-80's band name lawsuits.

As far as Animals, it's not the most creative Floyd album in terms of vision, experimentation, or visual texture like Dark Side or Wish You Were Here. The band actually built their own studio, Britannica Row, in Battersea in 1976 and recorded Animals there over the course of a year. During 1976 and part of 1977, punk was becoming the new voice of disaffected, disappointed youth and articulated the frustrations of a generation that saw 60's counterculture bands as corporate sellouts who failed to revolutionize British or Western society at large. I believe some of the nihilistic attitudes behind punk influenced Floyd's recording of Animals. The songs themselves, their overall structure, album themes were cruder, longer, harder-edged then previous Floyd albums. The album's songs themselves revolved around Waters' Marxist interpretation of people's societal roles via through Orwell's Animal Farm: you were either a dog, a pig, or a sheep in his anthropomorphic society. Pigs on a Wing was actually a short love song Waters wrote to his then new-wife Carolyn, someone he met a few years earlier through Bob Ezrin, and was able to hold her own intellectually with him and stand up to him which very few had successfully done up until that point.
 
retro, if you think Dogs or any other songs from Animals is bleak and depressing, try listening to most of the Wall or the Final Cut. Although lyrically both the Wall and Final Cut are excellent, by the early 80's the Floyd's musical tendencies were starting to grate. Animals, IMHO, was probably the inevitable start of a trend where Pink Floyd's music and lyrics became more of a vehicle for Roger Waters' ideas than a truly legitimate 4-way partnership where everyone may not written some or most of the songs, but at least most helped arrange the music on the songs, like Rick Wright. This was the last Floyd album w/Waters where Wright really contributed at least something of substance before cocaine abuse made him complete liability to the band and Waters and Wright never really were the best of friends even back in band's early days with Syd. As heated and contentious as Waters' feud was getting and would get with Gilmour, it was more of an one-sided rivalry where Waters held all the cards, all the leverage against Wright and he used it effectively during the Wall sessions in Nice, France Waters wanted Wright to actually record the album's keyboard parts early before Christmas holidays and Rick hadn't seen or talked to his family in quite some time due to his divorce and his self-esteem ruined because of his drug use marginalizing his creative role within the band. Well, he told Roger no, and Waters replied that if he didn't immediately record his keyboard sections, quit the band and play the Wall shows as a paid salaried employee, Roger would basically quash the whole album. And that's a threat that Wright knew Roger was more then capable of doing knowing his autocratic personality, I can't state that enough for those here unaware of PF's history, band's inner turmoil and conflicts, just how difficult and intimidating Roger Waters is to know and to work with. If you don't have super-thick skin or be physically tall like 6"4 or more, he'll either you embarrass, antagonize, humiliate you or you'll end up wanting to deck him in the face. He's made enemies from fellow rock stars, Hollywood directors like Alan Parker who directed the film version of the Wall, even his closest former bandmate Nick Mason eventually sided with Gilmour in there mid-80's band name lawsuits.

As far as Animals, it's not the most creative Floyd album in terms of vision, experimentation, or visual texture like Dark Side or Wish You Were Here. The band actually built their own studio, Britannica Row, in Battersea in 1976 and recorded Animals there over the course of a year. During 1976 and part of 1977, punk was becoming the new voice of disaffected, disappointed youth and articulated the frustrations of a generation that saw 60's counterculture bands as corporate sellouts who failed to revolutionize British or Western society at large. I believe some of the nihilistic attitudes behind punk influenced Floyd's recording of Animals. The songs themselves, their overall structure, album themes were cruder, longer, harder-edged then previous Floyd albums. The album's songs themselves revolved around Waters' Marxist interpretation of people's societal roles via through Orwell's Animal Farm: you were either a dog, a pig, or a sheep in his anthropomorphic society. Pigs on a Wing was actually a short love song Waters wrote to his then new-wife Carolyn, someone he met a few years earlier through Bob Ezrin, and was able to hold her own intellectually with him and stand up to him which very few had successfully done up until that point.

Roger Waters is sort of an intellectual bully, he's very intelligent. Actually all those guys are intelligent with strong opinions that come out in the songs. I just try to listen to the musicians and the groove of the songs. Really enjoy their stuff this way. Otherwise I could probably talk myself into no liking it.
 
It's one of my favorite Floyd albums and I've been learning the album on guitar recently (but I need a delay pedal). The guitar work is subtle but very good and the solos are very soulful. Lyrically it's one of the most socially conscience works I've ever heard.

I'm interested in some of the 5.1's you have. Obscured and Meddle would be high on my list. I can even trade you some of my bootlegs if you don't have them. I have their very first appearance in the US at a radio station in San Fran. I also have a version of Animals with the original lyrics and music which is quite different than the official release. Also, Dark Side and The Wall live. Both of them are very good recordings during the first leg of each tour. For those unaware, Floyd always played the songs just like the album on the first leg and then would do alternate versions on the second leg. I'll PM you in a bit.

Side note. I think the Pigs on the wing bridge solo is Doyle Bramhal Jr and not David Gilmour. Every one I've heard is certainly not David.

EDIT: Scratch the Animals alternates. I can't find it, but I do have The Wall outtakes.
 
Animals is fantastic. Probably my favorite Floyd album from beginning to end. Looking forward to the reissue.

Favorite Animals memory is that time I caught the Les Claypool Frog Brigade show in Vegas (it didn’t start til midnight). The entire second set was Animals and they sounded fantastic. The guitar player had a pig mask on the whole time.
 
I don't know what to say to someone saying Animals makes them want to stick a gun in their mouth. Musically it's excellent. Lyrically it's excellent. In fact Dogs may be their best song. But hey that's just my opinion.

Outstanding piece of art. Back in the early 80's my friend and I would play Dogs pretty much note for note on the guitar. But we couldn't never replicate Gilmour's sound, and my friend had pretty much all the effects that were around at that time.

It was a very intelligent and well reasoned take on Capitalism vs Socialism....loosely based on Orwelle's book Animal Farm....
 

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