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The kid was not even the one buying the pot. He gave someone else a ride. Of course the cop was just protecting himself. The hardened criminal was driving right at him, at least such was the police officers position. However the official autopsy has been released and it [apparently] shows he was shot from behind and that there is no way the car could have been moving.


multiple links for the story:

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This link Say the cop did not include the shooting in his initial report.
 

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I get what you're saying but people are often put on unpaid leave
But usually that's after discipline or culpability has been determined. I'm not aware of putting someone on unpaid leave who's disposition has yet to be determined.
 

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The unpaid part is essential because that's a deterrent to letting anyone die in custody. It's QED that someone died under your care, guilt for that is already established.
Not it's not. If someone in my care drops dead of a heart attack or drug OD during or after he/she has been apprehended, I'm not responsible for causing that. And why should my family and I suffer because of the irresponsibility of other cops? Litigation and investigations into those type of incidents can take months. A cop supporting his family and not being able to do that for months on end even when he did nothing wrong is an untenable proposition imo.

That said, I'm all for holding bad cops accountable in other ways. You can always claw back that pay if the cop is eventually proven guilty of wrongdoing.
 

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Or, you could fix the qualified immunity laws so that they can be held responsible via civil suit.
Yep, this is where I would put my chips in so to speak. Removing qualified immunity would have a bigger impact than temporarily suspending pay. And as far as suspending pay pending the outcome of litigation, that would not hold up to legal challenges anyway, imo.
 

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maybe someone can explain how he was supposed to put his hands out the window AND open the door at the same time? I feel like that's one of those.commands they use so they can shoot first.then say we thought he was reaching for a weapon. if his hands are out of the window and he reached back in to open the door, he's dead...
 
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maybe someone can explain how he was supposed to put his hands out the window AND open the door at the same time? I feel like that's one of those.commands they use so they can shoot first.then say we thought he was reaching for a weapon. if his hands are out of the window and he reached back in to open the door, he's dead...
I believe you are supposed to open it from the outside handle. Forgot where I pulled that info. I vaguely recall an episode of cops or some such where the officer was calm and explained the order better.
 

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that makes sense, but without being told that, my instinct would be to open it like normal, using the inside handle.
that would be anyone’s instinct

opening from the outside wouldn’t even occur to me

especially if a cop is holding a gun on me
 

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maybe someone can explain how he was supposed to put his hands out the window AND open the door at the same time? I feel like that's one of those.commands they use so they can shoot first.then say we thought he was reaching for a weapon. if his hands are out of the window and he reached back in to open the door, he's dead...
That's why only one officer should be giving commands. The second should be in an overwatch/backup role. Same thing happened to that kid that was gunned down in the Arizona hotel hallway. Conflicting orders. When I used to train officers and military police on traffic stops, I emphasized the importance of only one officer speaking.
 

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Castro is 100% correct. It also shows that the uniform doesn't mean sheet if someone that looks like LT Nazario is wearing it and that's from personal experience.

The Army second lieutenant slowed down on U.S. Route 460, flipped on his turn signal, and looked for a lighted place to pull over because it was dark outside, according to a lawsuit filed last week in U.S. District Court in Norfolk.

Less than a mile away, Nazario saw a BP gas station. He drove his Chevrolet Tahoe into the parking area and stopped, the lawsuit said.

In the meantime, Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to pull over a vehicle with no rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was “eluding police” and he considered it a “high-risk traffic stop,” according to a report he submitted afterward and was included in the court filing. The written report acknowledged, however, that the SUV was traveling at a low rate of speed.
Imagine what would have happened to Lt Nazario had he not have the clairvoyance to pull into a well lit gas station.
 

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I saw the full video a few days ago.

I heard the one guy on the radio say it was a felony traffic stop (after they had lit him up & started following him). IF he in fact did not have his temporary plate displayed and illegal level of tinted windows - I can't remember where I saw/read that but supposedly that's why the cops were pulling him over to begin with - and he did not comply with orders - which he didn't because he was just trying to figure out why he was being pulled over in the first place - these cops are not going to be found in the wrong. Those are classic signs of stolen cars and usually warrant felony traffic stops.

I know some of y'all aren't going to like hearing that but his police dept is not going to find these officers of any wrongdoing.

That being said, I don't know what level of nuance police officers are allowed to apply to situations. So, you think it's a felony stop, you get to a well lit place, the guy has his hands up in plain sight and instead of going crazy is really asking what he's being stopped for & trying to figure out what to do when illogical orders are being shouted at him (keep your hands up ...but open the door and exit..like huh?) and wearing military uniform, it should be apparent that you can de-escalate the situation but given that you've already pulled him over on a felony stop, are you obligated to continue with felony traffic stop protocol? At what point do police officers have an obligation to tell you why you're being pulled over?

How are we(the general public) supposed to know all the rules?
 

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Castro is 100% correct. It also shows that the uniform doesn't mean sheet if someone that looks like LT Nazario is wearing it and that's from personal experience.



Imagine what would have happened to Lt Nazario had he not have the clairvoyance to pull into a well lit gas station.
Were you overseas?
I’m curious if this happens in Iraq or s. Korea or Israel, does the Army step in or not say anything?
 

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