Police Shootings / Possible Abuse Threads [merged] (8 Viewers)

[Big_L]

Ironic that it's a Cuban socialist Marxist soldier taking the gun.

So . . . not an American BLM supporter?

 

[rajncajn]

So . . . not an American BLM supporter?

Please elaborate. I don't get the implication. Maybe something to do with BLM self-proclaiming to be Marxist? But I'm pretty certain the idea of "they" is referring to the government, so I'm confused. I'm referring to the socialist (and some would say Marxist) movement of the government, but nothing specific towards BLM.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think this is part of it too. When a cop is dealing with a big black guy it can be more than feeling threatened.

It can also be a case of “look at this big, tough guy. I bet he thinks he’s a big tough guy. I’ll show him who the big tough guy really is”
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The topic of “toxic masculinity” comes up more in conversations about #MeToo than about Black Lives Matter, understandably so.

But cop machismo is an important way of understanding police violence against people of color. It helps explain why Derek Chauvin pressed his knee against George Floyd’s neck — continuing for two minutes after Floyd’s pulse stopped — and why three other officers chose to keep the crowd at bay rather than save Floyd’s life.


Much commentary on the broken relationship between police and African Americans focuses on anti-Black bias and structural discrimination.

While it’s hard to overstate the role that race plays in policing, gender matters, too. Legal scholar Frank Rudy Cooper has described encounters between the police and African Americans as “Who’s the man?” contests.

Some cops perform their masculinity by showing off their power and control over Black bodies.
“Dude, act like a man.” That’s what a Minneapolis police officer told Floyd when he was arrested in May 2019 — a year before his fatal encounter with Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged with murdering Floyd.

On both occasions, officers approached Floyd’s car, drew their guns, pointed them at Floyd and ordered him out of the car.
Floyd’s reaction to both arrests was to burst into tears and call for his mother.

“Listen to him. He’s crying like an adult male,” one of the officers says sarcastically during the 2019 arrest.
George Floyd was not a macho dude. In the hood, they called him the “gentle giant.”




But that’s not a space that Black men get to inhabit in the public imagination — and especially not to the police. We don’t get to be soft or vulnerable. When cops point guns at us, we don’t get to be traumatized............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/12/how-toxic-masculinity-helped-kill-george-floyd/

 

[rajncajn]

I think this is part of it too. When a cop is dealing with a big black guy it can be more than feeling threatened.

It can also be a case of “look at this big, tough guy. I bet he thinks he’s a big tough guy. I’ll show him who the big tough guy really is”
===============

The topic of “toxic masculinity” comes up more in conversations about #MeToo than about Black Lives Matter, understandably so.

But cop machismo is an important way of understanding police violence against people of color. It helps explain why Derek Chauvin pressed his knee against George Floyd’s neck — continuing for two minutes after Floyd’s pulse stopped — and why three other officers chose to keep the crowd at bay rather than save Floyd’s life.


Much commentary on the broken relationship between police and African Americans focuses on anti-Black bias and structural discrimination.

While it’s hard to overstate the role that race plays in policing, gender matters, too. Legal scholar Frank Rudy Cooper has described encounters between the police and African Americans as “Who’s the man?” contests.

Some cops perform their masculinity by showing off their power and control over Black bodies.
“Dude, act like a man.” That’s what a Minneapolis police officer told Floyd when he was arrested in May 2019 — a year before his fatal encounter with Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged with murdering Floyd.

On both occasions, officers approached Floyd’s car, drew their guns, pointed them at Floyd and ordered him out of the car.
Floyd’s reaction to both arrests was to burst into tears and call for his mother.

“Listen to him. He’s crying like an adult male,” one of the officers says sarcastically during the 2019 arrest.
George Floyd was not a macho dude. In the hood, they called him the “gentle giant.”




But that’s not a space that Black men get to inhabit in the public imagination — and especially not to the police. We don’t get to be soft or vulnerable. When cops point guns at us, we don’t get to be traumatized............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/12/how-toxic-masculinity-helped-kill-george-floyd/

I can say with a certainty that makes a ton of sense, but that's not just something that's perpetuated against blacks. That's an alpha characteristic and they are typically like that with everyone and not just cops, but you get that in all walks of life. I don't think we should be conflating assertiveness with racism, but I definitely agree, as a servant of the people, police should be trained in keeping that assertiveness in check and only applying it when it is appropriate.

 

[Big_L]

Please elaborate. I don't get the implication. Maybe something to do with BLM self-proclaiming to be Marxist? But I'm pretty certain the idea of "they" is referring to the government, so I'm confused. I'm referring to the socialist (and some would say Marxist) movement of the government, but nothing specific towards BLM.

Well, hasn't BLM become the new threat to the American way of life according to a good percentage of melanin challenged?

 

[rajncajn]

Well, hasn't BLM become the new threat to the American way of life according to a good percentage of melanin challenged?

Not really, no. I think most of the "melanin challenged" see them as a threat to civil discourse and consider them hypocritical to what they are supposedly fighting against. I also think that many people believe the BLM movement is being used for political purposes, monetary gain and power. That really isn't directly related to the 2nd amendment fight and fearing too much government control by way of socialist Marxism.

 

[DaveXA]

Well, hasn't BLM become the new threat to the American way of life according to a good percentage of melanin challenged?

I'm not seeing it.

 

[Big_L]

I'm not seeing it.

It's lit on social media. I mean I debated with a dude today that basically said every black criminal is part of BLM.

 

[rajncajn]

It's lit on social media. I mean I debated with a dude today that basically said every black criminal is part of BLM.

I hope you don't get all of your opinions of people from social media.

 

[DaveXA]

It's lit on social media. I mean I debated with a dude today that basically said every black criminal is part of BLM.

Well, fwiw, outside this thread and a few quips on the site, I haven't really seen comments like that irl or the few occasions I visit FB and/or Twitter. But then again, I don't willingly interact much with people who think like that either. So I know it's out there, but I don't see it much personally.

 

[HburgSaints]

Sigh......google search. First freaking article that pops up is from the Washington post. They have details on what led to the confrontation. And no I’m not saying his actions were justified, I’m saying it’s been painted as a black vs white thing when it was a concerned citizen coming to the aid of a female making accusations. But none of you surprise me honestly. You’ve been programmed to react exactly how you’ve done to the video. Kudos to being sheep

 

[Big_L]

Sigh......google search. First freaking article that pops up is from the Washington post. They have details on what led to the confrontation. And no I’m not saying his actions were justified, I’m saying it’s been painted as a black vs white thing when it was a concerned citizen coming to the aid of a female making accusations. But none of you surprise me honestly. You’ve been programmed to react exactly how you’ve done to the video. Kudos to being sheep

What are you talking about?

 

[HburgSaints]

What are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/14/jonathan-pentland-south-carolina/%3foutputType=amp

 

[Taurus]

I'm not seeing it.

You aren't talking to my in-laws.
Their script about BLM/Antifa and Proud/Boogaloo bois is 180* flipped. It's bizarre.

 

[DaveXA]

You aren't talking to my in-laws.
Their script about BLM/Antifa and Proud/Boogaloo bois is 180* flipped. It's bizarre.

Yeah, that's bizarre indeed. I guess my life is a little too sheltered, idk. I did have a relative who would totally think like that, but he died several years ago. Currently, I dont know anyone who actually talks to me about BLM/Proud Boys like that.