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The kid was not even the one buying the pot. He gave someone else a ride. Of course the cop was just protecting himself. The hardened criminal was driving right at him, at least such was the police officers position. However the official autopsy has been released and it [apparently] shows he was shot from behind and that there is no way the car could have been moving.


multiple links for the story:

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This link Say the cop did not include the shooting in his initial report.
 

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Yeah, need to see more accountability like this. In the past, officers would get reassigned or transferred, not fired.
Only problem... How soon before they are hired by another department? The cop who punched the kid is supposedly under investigation for an in-custody death with another police department.
 

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Only problem... How soon before they are hired by another department? The cop who punched the kid is supposedly under investigation for an in-custody death with another police department.

They (law enforcement departments) have to make it to where any officer fired is ineligible to transfer or get hired in any other law enforcement capacity.
 

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I saw this movie this morning on HBO:


I didn't even know it existed previously. I thought it was really interesting and apparently San Antonio is way ahead of the rest of the country in dealing with mental health cases, trying to help people instead of just treating them like perps.
 

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A Lancaster County, South Carolina, volunteer fire chief resigned Friday over his recent Facebook post that urged police to "stop responding to these black neighborhoods," saying it's better if "they eventually kill each other."

Fire Chief Francis "Butch" Ghent, head of the McDonald Green Volunteer Fire Department, wrote on Facebook April 22—just one day after the deputy-involved shooting of a Black man, Andrew Brown Jr., in Elizabeth City, North Carolina: "Dear Police, stop responding to these black neighborhoods. They will eventually kill each other and the fake news won't have a story,"

Lancaster County officials told the Rock Hill Herald newspaper that they found out about the controversial post Monday, prompting the county council to condemn his Facebook remarks as offensive. Lancaster County Administrator Steve Willis confirmed to several outlets that the released apology was Ghent's own words and that he had been suspended at the time from the fire service......

 

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So what type of discussion do we have about this? From how the witness who shot the video is saying from the other side of the interstate, police had to know a child was in the vehicle. Granted, we don't know which bullet killed the child, but it just seemed like the cops just rattled off gunshots into the car. forking tragic either way.

 

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“Once stopped, the police made no effort to communicate with this guy to engage him somehow and to talk him into giving up his weapon, getting the baby out of there,” Loyola Criminology Professor Emeritus George Capowich said.
Whether to use deadly force is a split-second decision for law enforcement. Capowich watched the cellphone video of the police stop and shooting.
He told WWL-TV, knowing there was a child in the car police had a chance to deescalate the situation after they flattened Smith tires with a spike strip and pushed him onto the median.
“The officers by not taking advantage of the fact that they had the situation stabilized, were then firing and exposing the child to the gunshots (and) exposing other people on the other side of the median.”
 

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“Once stopped, the police made no effort to communicate with this guy to engage him somehow and to talk him into giving up his weapon, getting the baby out of there,” Loyola Criminology Professor Emeritus George Capowich said.
Whether to use deadly force is a split-second decision for law enforcement. Capowich watched the cellphone video of the police stop and shooting.
He told WWL-TV, knowing there was a child in the car police had a chance to deescalate the situation after they flattened Smith tires with a spike strip and pushed him onto the median.
“The officers by not taking advantage of the fact that they had the situation stabilized, were then firing and exposing the child to the gunshots (and) exposing other people on the other side of the median.”
I think the pursuing officers made a deliberate decision that they werent even going to try to communicate with this guy who'd already led them on a high-speed chase. It sounds like some cops make rash, pre-determined decisions where they put themselves into this mindset where if a suspect gives chase on the interstate, or if he makes an initial dumb decision to try and run away if he's armed, he's voluntarily voided any more chances to deserve any communication with, or be reasoned with a crisis negotiator into surrendering. They assume, "The madre frocker had his chance to give up and surrender peacefully, so now, its our turn to make him pay and wipe him out". They often jump to the wrong conclusions so quickly and assume using deadly force only as a last-resort, in way too many situations that conceivably could've been resolved amicably or in a less-destructive, damaging way.
 
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I think the pursuing officers made a deliberate decision that they werent even going to try to communicate with this guy who'd already led them on a high-speed chase. It sounds like some cops make rash, pre-determined decisions where they put themselves into this mindset where if a suspect gives chase on the interstate, or if he makes an initial dumb decision to try and run away if he's armed, he's voluntarily voided any more chances to deserve any communication with, or be reasoned with a crisis negotiator into surrendering. They assume, "The madre frocker had his chance to give up and surrender peacefully, so now, its our turn to make him pay and wipe him out". They often jump to the wrong conclusions so quickly and assume using deadly force only as a last-resort, in way too many situations that conceivably could've been resolved amicably or in a less-destructive, damaging way.
Was it a high speed chase? From what I saw on the news they were going down the interstate OJ style.
 
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“Once stopped, the police made no effort to communicate with this guy to engage him somehow and to talk him into giving up his weapon, getting the baby out of there,” Loyola Criminology Professor Emeritus George Capowich said.
Whether to use deadly force is a split-second decision for law enforcement. Capowich watched the cellphone video of the police stop and shooting.
He told WWL-TV, knowing there was a child in the car police had a chance to deescalate the situation after they flattened Smith tires with a spike strip and pushed him onto the median.
“The officers by not taking advantage of the fact that they had the situation stabilized, were then firing and exposing the child to the gunshots (and) exposing other people on the other side of the median.”
I couldn't tell from the video on the news. How long after they pushed him off the road did the shooting start? Was there even time for negotiations or did the guy just get out and start shooting?
 

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Yeah the problem isn’t necessarily qualified immunity as a concept, it is how it is applied by the judges. The “clearly established” standard can be reigned in to something more like common sense.
 

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