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Top 6 plus 2 to the practice squad if they don't get snatched up

1. Mike Thomas
2. Tedd Ginn Jr
3. Tre'Quan Smith
4. Keith Kirkwood
5. Cyryl Grayson
6. Deonte Harris

PS
7. Emmanuel Butler
8. "Lil" Jordan Humphrey

5 through 8 is really tough to predict. You could draw their names and have has much chance getting it rigjt.
 
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Kirkwood is also a 4.6 guy i dont know where you got him running a 4.4 but thats inaccurate also.
I'm getting 4.46. He's a little bigger and a few ticks faster than TQS.

I like Kirkwood's potential. It's hardly fair to throw out stats of a raw rookie that played a few quarters with Mike and Kamara in the game.

Potential is what the pre-season is about. His measurables are good for his size, he has strong hands, is smart, fearless, confident, and really, really wants to play in the NFL.

Edit: After a better look in the Jets game, I'm on the Butler train. Even though he's slower than Kirkwood, his potential is higher due to his hands and body control. But, I think Kirky makes the 53 too.
 
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Butler is 6'4 220 and Kirkwood is 6'3 215...so hes not bigger, also Kirkwood is also a 4.6 guy i dont know where you got him running a 4.4 but thats inaccurate also.

As someone poster before...the love of Kirkwood is unfounded as hes be thrust into a role that produced 12 catches last season out of necessity so to think he is an automatic roster lock is also questionable granted i think it bolds well that the Saints didnt draft or sign a WR in free agency or the draft would suggest the Saints are happy with the young talent on the roster and thats including Simmie Cobbs but i think that was before u covered gems in both Butler and Harris were plucked as UDFA.
Source? Or total BS?

Sources for Kirkwood:



Sources for Butler:



There are some minor discrepancies but Kirkwood is listed running a 4.45 by multiple sites (Canal St. Chronicles being one I trust most of all)...I can't find a site that has Butler running anything under a 4.68....

As for size Kirkwood and Butler are probably the same height with both are listed at 6'3" on the sites I've found and trust. And Kirkwood is consistantly listed at 220 with Butler being listed between 210 and 220...size difference is probably inconsequential but the 40 times and quickness drills undoubtedly favor Kirkwood....so you are quite wrong here...

As for the love of Kirkwood, just my feeling he will emerge, I like the way he does the little things, how he uses his body. His measurables are better than a lot of fans seem to want to believe and Butlers are much worse than most believe for some reason...we will see what happens. I'm fine with either of them emerging but I favor Kirkwood at this point....
 

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I'm getting 4.46. He's a little bigger and a few ticks faster than TQS.

I like Kirkwood's potential. It's hardly fair to throw out stats of a raw rookie that played a few quarters with Mike and Kamara in the game.

Potential is what the pre-season is about. His measurables are good for his size, he has strong hands, is smart, fearless, confident, and really, really wants to play in the NFL.

Edit: After a better look in the Jets game, I'm on the Butler train. Even though he's slower than Kirkwood, his potential is higher due to his hands and body control. But, I think Kirky makes the 53 too.
Thanks, exactly how I feel about Kirkwood....
 

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There won't be seven, there will be counting special teams. We carry 3 QBS and a full back. You need to pick 6 wrs counting Harris
 
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There won't be seven, there will be counting special teams. We carry 3 QBS and a full back. You need to pick 6 wrs counting Harris
Line could be cut until things shake out. IIRC, Payton cut him last year. Line is a great player, but not many teams use FB's, so he's pretty safe on the street.
 

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You have to have in my opinion 3 things for sure in a WR group

1- Possession receiver
2- Speed guy
3- Slot guy
this has always been SPs MO and i dont see it changing, so who fits in those slots? The only speed guy we have is Ginn and the only slot guy we have is Carr that i can see at this point. so those 2 are in as well as MT
1- Thomas
2- Ginn
3- Carr

Butler and Kirkwood are cut from the same mold so one will make the team, Smith is our second fastest true WR
4- Smith
5- Kirkwood/Butler

Kick returner/ Special teams
6- Harris
 

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You have to have in my opinion 3 things for sure in a WR group

1- Possession receiver
2- Speed guy
3- Slot guy
this has always been SPs MO and i dont see it changing, so who fits in those slots? The only speed guy we have is Ginn and the only slot guy we have is Carr that i can see at this point. so those 2 are in as well as MT
1- Thomas
2- Ginn
3- Carr

Butler and Kirkwood are cut from the same mold so one will make the team, Smith is our second fastest true WR
4- Smith
5- Kirkwood/Butler

Kick returner/ Special teams
6- Harris
Kirkwood posted faster 40 times than Smith. Just saying.

I think Kirkwood and Butler can play slot, and Cook will make Slot less important.
 

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Kirkwood posted faster 40 times than Smith. Just saying.

I think Kirkwood and Butler can play slot, and Cook will negate the need for a high level slot guy.
it doesnt seem like Butler and Kirkwoods speed translates to the field like Smiths does. we have always had the moore/snead slot guy that i think Carr fits. small, quick and reliable. I actually liked the way Harris looked on the route and catch he did. maybe look at him in the slot as well
 

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Kirkwood posted faster 40 times than Smith. Just saying.

I think Kirkwood and Butler can play slot, and Cook will make Slot less important.
40 times in underwear are meaningless. I wish they'd run it in full pads so we can see what their football speed is.

Ingram was never a burner but posted the fastest speed (like 22 mph) in a game on a long run last year out of all the RB's in the league.
 

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it doesnt seem like Butler and Kirkwoods speed translates to the field like Smiths does. we have always had the moore/snead slot guy that i think Carr fits. small, quick and reliable. I actually liked the way Harris looked on the route and catch he did. maybe look at him in the slot as well
Harris is exciting, but someone that small can get knocked off his route. I think Payton likes big guys, so will use one in the slot. I think Butler would make a great large slot player.
 

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Harris is exciting, but someone that small can get knocked off his route. I think Payton likes big guys, so will use one in the slot. I think Butler would make a great large slot player.
that and i think a QB or the shorter side could have trouble finding a 5'6 guy going across the middle as well
 

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40 times in underwear are meaningless. I wish they'd run it in full pads so we can see what their football speed is.

Ingram was never a burner but posted the fastest speed (like 22 mph) in a game on a long run last year out of all the RB's in the league.
You can also say that about most big WR's. A 6-3 6-4 WR that posts 4.5 speed can outrun 4.4 DB's when they get those long legs moving in the open field.
 

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i'm sure Smith will make the 53, but If I had any say-so, I'd put Humphrey in his spot. I've really never been that impressed with Smith.
Thomas, Ginn, Kirkwood, Butler, Humphrey, Harris, or maybe be put Humphrey on the PS if he clears. And put Carr in his spot.
Harris is a weapon in more than the return game. You can put him out in space with quick WR screens and have him in the same spot as he would be returning punts, in space.
 

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that and i think a QB or the shorter side could have trouble finding a 5'6 guy going across the middle as well
The jet sweep (and PA fake on that) would likely be his most used play as a wide receiver since defenses will know the speed he's got from seeing him return kicks.
 

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