Price gouging by Big Pharma: How do you stop it? (2 Viewers)

[CajunInVA]

Anyone else see the horrible hypocrisy of this...

Capitalism says this is okay, but it's only possible because of the government backed security of the company's patents.

 

[bclemms]

Well, we have oversight groups that are supposed to be protecting us. The FDA and SEC could shut all this down with existing laws. However, the FDA and SEC is owned by lobbyists.

The Republican and Democratic parties have reached across the aisle in order to remove restrictions on lobbying and campaign contributions.

If you don't like it or so many other giant pits of corruption, then don't vote for the people who continue to allow it, otherwise just deal with it.

The only difference Trump or Hillary will make in stuff like this is they will just want a bigger piece of the pie.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

Well, we have oversight groups that are supposed to be protecting us. The FDA and SEC could shut all this down with existing laws. However, the FDA and SEC is owned by lobbyists.

The Republican and Democratic parties have reached across the aisle in order to remove restrictions on lobbying and campaign contributions.

If you don't like it or so many other giant pits of corruption, then don't vote for the people who continue to allow it, otherwise just deal with it.

The only difference Trump or Hillary will make in stuff like this is they will just want a bigger piece of the pie.

^ this guy knows stuff

 

[UTSaintsFan]

Allow drugs from everywhere. Canada, Europe, Tommy at the corner gas station, wherever. Competition lowers prices and if we can get drugs from Canada at a drastically reduced price the U.S. companies will lower their prices or go out of business.

When a drug company develops a new drug, the FDA tests its efficacy and then issues a patent, which is generally 12 years of exclusive rights. That drug company may extend that patent if they change the formulation - usually they make it 'extended-release' (it's in a different matrix which changes the absorption rate) or something as simple as changing the salt formulation (drugs are mixed in a liquid and you add a base or acid for it to turn it into a salt to precipitate). The new formulations are going to advertise less side-effects, and it's more convenient to take it once-a-day compared to two or three-times-a-day

Basically, they control the prices once they get the stamp of approval from the FDA. They negotiate with different HMO's (insurance companies) to come to an agreement on prices. If they agree on a price, it's put on the formulary - if they don't, your insurance company will simply not pay for it (again, physicians and pharmacists are not a part of these negotiations). The laws are very fluid, but the FDA basically determines whether a drug is effective and safe - it does not determine whether this new drug is more effective than the drugs already on the market or control the prices. Medicare can't negotiate prices for some reason (they simply won't cover it if the price is too high), but TriCare (active or retired military members) can, and those lucky individuals usually pay the cheapest prices.

Other countries have different regulations and markets. You may get them cheaper in another country but it depends on a lot of factors - you'd have to speak to a lawyer or economist about the specifics. Canada does accept prescriptions from the US and that's all I'm going to say about that.

Edit: I want to add that if a drug is not on your formulary, speak to your physician or pharmacist on your options. Sometimes, the physician can do a prior-authorization or the pharmacist can do a manual override to get your insurance company to cover it (and you just pay a co-pay). So talk to them. We're here to help.

 

[bclemms]

^ this guy knows stuff

It's freaking obvious as hell. Look at the stuff Mylan has spent lobbying dollars on. Hey, did you know that Mylan spent $100,000 direct lobbying on a specific bill? It was a bill to that forced every commercial airliner in the country to carry not one, but two epi-pens and replace them any time they expire. Figure up the cost on that one.

Oh yeah, Mylan reduced the expiration period on epi-pens shortly after by several months and then increased the price.

So Mylan gets one of their 3 lobbyists on staff or one of the half dozen lobbying firms they have on speed dial and go to Congress. They find a Congressmen to sponsor a bill that requires airlines to have two epi-pens on board at all times. It's not like one was enough because you know, the odds of two people simultaneously going into a full on allergic reaction in mid air who happened to have left their epi-pen at home is just so insanely likely.

So they are out $100k to get the bill sponsored. Now, they dump a few million into a couple super-pacs and dark companies that don't really have to report who they get money from or where it goes. Then that money is spread through campaign contributions. It doesn't take much, $2500 here, $2500 there and all the sudden they have plenty of support for the bill to pass. It doesn't take much because there are hundreds of bills like this every year. A Congressmen can get $2500 here, $2500 there hundreds of times. Some Congressmen may know this bill will get passed and buy stock in the company. Something that is illegal for anyone that isn't a politician to do. It's called trading on insider information. So they pass the bill, Mylan is out a few million bucks to get it passed but they now will be selling (2) epipens at about a $250 profit each year to go on 20,000 planes. So do the math, $8 million per year profit. That's a return any stock broker can only dream of.

Senator Mark Kirk gets a nice fat paycheck, may get some stock options or Mylan may promise to hire him to do a speaking engagement after he leaves office for $1 million dollars to repay him for sponsoring the bill. Better yet, they may give him $1 million several times over since he's now also willing to vote in favor of a bill that limits patent rights on medications in the USA or allows Pharma companies to trade patent rights like playing cards.

So now Mylan decides it doesn't make enough money off of this asthma medication but would like to boost sales of it's epipen but they have some competition. The competition isn't really worried about their epi injector but really wants to focus on profits for it's new Asthma drug. So Mylan goes to this other company and trades the rights to that asthma pill they have to another company who give Mylan the only other patent rights to sell an epi injector. Now both companies have exclusive rights to sell that medication and can control the price.

Now that has been settled and Epi-pen is all set up to turn a BILLION dollars. They decide the Congressmen has done a fantastic job and offers him a position when he leaves office to become a member of the board of directors with a $10 million paycheck to thank him for his service. It's faux job, he'll never have to work, simply an avenue for them to pay for his service while in Congress. Pretty sweet setup.


Who can guess why nobody will press charges or arrest them?

Well, there may be a few laws broken or some grey areas that are played around in but the FDA and SEC are both so understaffed it's insane. Let's just say someone decides they want to investigate and start digging around. They find a few things that are very questionable. Suddenly that regulator gets offered a job by the company they are investigating for 5 times their current salary.

Mostly though, the reason nobody presses charges or arrests are made is quite simple.
They don't break any laws, all of the above has been made legal by politicians from the Republican and Democratic parties.

Do you know how these parties get away with this? It's easy. They know you'll still vote for them because they learned from sports teams a long time ago that people would rather pick a side they identify with and cheer them on while hating the competition. They have even managed to get many of you reading this to donate money to them in order to get in office and so they can benefit from this exact behavior. They know that you may find out, the information is pretty much open to the public but they also know they have you hooked in, a fan for life. You'll pretend it doesn't exist, you'll try to rationalize your donation and decision to continue supporting them. Hell, you may even parlay your loyalty on your favorite sports team forum and try to convince others why you should vote for that person. Worst case scenario is you switch sides for a few years only to come running back because you found the same behavior from the competition.

No, this doesn't only happen in Pharma, it happens all over healthcare. It happens with the insurance companies, it happens with the banks, investment firms, real estate, foreign governments, oil, corn, milk, telecom, prisons and pretty much every other sector in the world.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

It's freaking obvious as hell. Look at the stuff Mylan has spent lobbying dollars on. Hey, did you know that Mylan spent $100,000 direct lobbying on a specific bill? It was a bill to that forced every commercial airliner in the country to carry not one, but two epi-pens and replace them any time they expire. Figure up the cost on that one.

Oh yeah, Mylan reduced the expiration period on epi-pens shortly after by several months and then increased the price.

So Mylan gets one of their 3 lobbyists on staff and goes to Conress and finds a Congressmen to sponsor a bill that requires airlines to have two epi-pens on board at all times. It's not like one was enough because you know, the odds of two people simultaneously going into a full on allergic reaction in mid air who happened to have left their epi-pen at home is just so insanely likely.

So they are out $100k to get the bill sponsored. Now, they dump a few million into a couple super-pacs and dark companies that don't really have to report who they get money from or where it goes. Then that money is spread through campaign contributions. It doesn't take much, $2500 here, $2500 there and all the sudden they have plenty of support for the bill to pass. It doesn't take much because there are hundreds of bills like this every year. A Congressmen can get $2500 here, $2500 there hundreds of times. Some Congressmen may know this bill will get passed and buy stock in the company. Something that is illegal for anyone that isn't a politician to do. It's called trading on insider information. So they pass the bill, Mylan is out a few million bucks to get it passed but they now will be selling (2) epipens at about a $250 profit each year to go on 20,000 pens. So do the math, $8 million per year profit. That's a return any stock broker can only dream of.

Senator Mark Kirk gets a nice fat paycheck, may get some stock options or Mylan may promise to hire him to do a speaking engagement after he leaves office for $1 million dollars to repay him for sponsoring the bill. Better yet, they may give him $1 million several times over since he's now also willing to vote in favor of a bill that limits patent rights on medications in the USA or allows Pharma companies to trade patent rights like playing cards.

So now Mylan decides it doesn't make enough money off of this asthma medication but would like to boost sales of it's epipen but they have some competition. The competition isn't really worried about their epi injector but really wants to focus on profits for it's new Asthma drug. So Mylan goes to this other company and trades the rights to that asthma pill they have to another company who give Mylan the only other patent rights to sell an epi injector. Now both companies have exclusive rights to sell that medication and can control the price.

Now that has been settled and Epi-pen is all set up to turn a BILLION dollars. They decide the Congressmen has done a fantastic job and offers him a position when he leaves office to become a member of the board of directors with a $10 million paycheck to thank him for his service. It's faux job, he'll never have to work, simply an avenue for them to pay for his service while in Congress. Pretty sweet setup.


Who can guess why nobody will press charges or arrest them?

Well, there may be a few laws broken or some grey areas that are played around in but the FDA and SEC are both so understaffed it's insane. Let's just say someone decides they want to investigate and start digging around. They find a few things that are very questionable. Suddenly that regulator gets offered a job by the company they are investigating for 5 times their current salary.

Mostly though, the reason nobody presses charges or arrests are made is quite simple.
They don't break any laws, all of the above has been made legal by politicians from the Republican and Democratic parties.

Do you know how these parties get away with this? It's easy. They know you'll still vote for them because they learned from sports teams a long time ago that people would rather pick a side they identify with and cheer them on while hating the competition. They have even managed to get many of you reading this to donate money to them in order to get in office and so they can benefit from this exact behavior. They know that you may find out, the information is pretty much open to the public but they also know they have you hooked in, a fan for life. You'll pretend it doesn't exist, you'll try to rationalize your donation and decision to continue supporting them. Hell, you may even parlay your loyalty on your favorite sports team forum and try to convince others why you should vote for that person.

I'm with ya brother, that last paragraph sounds exactly like a rant I posted on my Facebook last week or so. Anytime you're ready to get the anarchy movement started I'm on board.

 

[Alan]

When a drug company develops a new drug, the FDA tests its efficacy and then issues a patent, which is generally 12 years of exclusive rights. That drug company may extend that patent if they change the formulation - usually they make it 'extended-release' (it's in a different matrix which changes the absorption rate) or something as simple as changing the salt formulation (drugs are mixed in a liquid and you add a base or acid for it to turn it into a salt to precipitate). The new formulations are going to advertise less side-effects, and it's more convenient to take it once-a-day compared to two or three-times-a-day

Basically, they control the prices once they get the stamp of approval from the FDA. They negotiate with different HMO's (insurance companies) to come to an agreement on prices. If they agree on a price, it's put on the formulary - if they don't, your insurance company will simply not pay for it (again, physicians and pharmacists are not a part of these negotiations). The laws are very fluid, but the FDA basically determines whether a drug is effective and safe - it does not determine whether this new drug is more effective than the drugs already on the market or control the prices. Medicare can't negotiate prices for some reason (they simply won't cover it if the price is too high), but TriCare (active or retired military members) can, and those lucky individuals usually pay the cheapest prices.

Other countries have different regulations and markets. You may get them cheaper in another country but it depends on a lot of factors - you'd have to speak to a lawyer or economist about the specifics. Canada does accept prescriptions from the US and that's all I'm going to say about that.

Edit: I want to add that if a drug is not on your formulary, speak to your physician or pharmacist on your options. Sometimes, the physician can do a prior-authorization or the pharmacist can do a manual override to get your insurance company to cover it (and you just pay a co-pay). So talk to them. We're here to help.

My hats off to someone who knows more about the micro when dealing with the present issue. Radar went off when you mentioned an extension via formula "modification" (ability to extend patent). Please enlighten.

It's freaking obvious as hell. Look at the stuff Mylan has spent lobbying dollars on. Hey, did you know that Mylan spent $100,000 direct lobbying on a specific bill? It was a bill to that forced every commercial airliner in the country to carry not one, but two epi-pens and replace them any time they expire. Figure up the cost on that one.

Oh yeah, Mylan reduced the expiration period on epi-pens shortly after by several months and then increased the price.

So Mylan gets one of their 3 lobbyists on staff and goes to Conress and finds a Congressmen to sponsor a bill that requires airlines to have two epi-pens on board at all times. It's not like one was enough because you know, the odds of two people simultaneously going into a full on allergic reaction in mid air who happened to have left their epi-pen at home is just so insanely likely.

So they are out $100k to get the bill sponsored. Now, they dump a few million into a couple super-pacs and dark companies that don't really have to report who they get money from or where it goes. Then that money is spread through campaign contributions. It doesn't take much, $2500 here, $2500 there and all the sudden they have plenty of support for the bill to pass. It doesn't take much because there are hundreds of bills like this every year. A Congressmen can get $2500 here, $2500 there hundreds of times. Some Congressmen may know this bill will get passed and buy stock in the company. Something that is illegal for anyone that isn't a politician to do. It's called trading on insider information. So they pass the bill, Mylan is out a few million bucks to get it passed but they now will be selling (2) epipens at about a $250 profit each year to go on 20,000 pens. So do the math, $8 million per year profit. That's a return any stock broker can only dream of.

Senator Mark Kirk gets a nice fat paycheck, may get some stock options or Mylan may promise to hire him to do a speaking engagement after he leaves office for $1 million dollars to repay him for sponsoring the bill. Better yet, they may give him $1 million several times over since he's now also willing to vote in favor of a bill that limits patent rights on medications in the USA or allows Pharma companies to trade patent rights like playing cards.

So now Mylan decides it doesn't make enough money off of this asthma medication but would like to boost sales of it's epipen but they have some competition. The competition isn't really worried about their epi injector but really wants to focus on profits for it's new Asthma drug. So Mylan goes to this other company and trades the rights to that asthma pill they have to another company who give Mylan the only other patent rights to sell an epi injector. Now both companies have exclusive rights to sell that medication and can control the price.

Now that has been settled and Epi-pen is all set up to turn a BILLION dollars. They decide the Congressmen has done a fantastic job and offers him a position when he leaves office to become a member of the board of directors with a $10 million paycheck to thank him for his service. It's faux job, he'll never have to work, simply an avenue for them to pay for his service while in Congress. Pretty sweet setup.


Who can guess why nobody will press charges or arrest them?

Well, there may be a few laws broken or some grey areas that are played around in but the FDA and SEC are both so understaffed it's insane. Let's just say someone decides they want to investigate and start digging around. They find a few things that are very questionable. Suddenly that regulator gets offered a job by the company they are investigating for 5 times their current salary.

Mostly though, the reason nobody presses charges or arrests are made is quite simple.
They don't break any laws, all of the above has been made legal by politicians from the Republican and Democratic parties.

Do you know how these parties get away with this? It's easy. They know you'll still vote for them because they learned from sports teams a long time ago that people would rather pick a side they identify with and cheer them on while hating the competition. They have even managed to get many of you reading this to donate money to them in order to get in office and so they can benefit from this exact behavior. They know that you may find out, the information is pretty much open to the public but they also know they have you hooked in, a fan for life. You'll pretend it doesn't exist, you'll try to rationalize your donation and decision to continue supporting them. Hell, you may even parlay your loyalty on your favorite sports team forum and try to convince others why you should vote for that person.

My good sir...BRAVO!!!!!

 

[saintmdterps]

Mylan CEO Bresch: 'No one's more frustrated than me' about EpiPen price furor

That's rich her trying to deflect and blame the health care system as a whole. Only a 1 percent-er can dream up irony that rich when their company is the only one that can control its price.

Even more absurd is that she has a point. It's just that she's leaving out that they're blatantly taking advantage of screwed up system to make ridiculous profits and screw their customers in the process for as long as they can.

**** her and her 600% raise since 2007

Mylan CEO's Pay Rose Over 600 Percent as EpiPen Price Rose 400 Percent - NBC News

 

[saintmdterps]

It's freaking obvious as hell. Look at the stuff Mylan has spent lobbying dollars on. Hey, did you know that Mylan spent $100,000 direct lobbying on a specific bill? It was a bill to that forced every commercial airliner in the country to carry not one, but two epi-pens and replace them any time they expire. Figure up the cost on that one.

Oh yeah, Mylan reduced the expiration period on epi-pens shortly after by several months and then increased the price.

So Mylan gets one of their 3 lobbyists on staff or one of the half dozen lobbying firms they have on speed dial and go to Congress. They find a Congressmen to sponsor a bill that requires airlines to have two epi-pens on board at all times. It's not like one was enough because you know, the odds of two people simultaneously going into a full on allergic reaction in mid air who happened to have left their epi-pen at home is just so insanely likely.

So they are out $100k to get the bill sponsored. Now, they dump a few million into a couple super-pacs and dark companies that don't really have to report who they get money from or where it goes. Then that money is spread through campaign contributions. It doesn't take much, $2500 here, $2500 there and all the sudden they have plenty of support for the bill to pass. It doesn't take much because there are hundreds of bills like this every year. A Congressmen can get $2500 here, $2500 there hundreds of times. Some Congressmen may know this bill will get passed and buy stock in the company. Something that is illegal for anyone that isn't a politician to do. It's called trading on insider information. So they pass the bill, Mylan is out a few million bucks to get it passed but they now will be selling (2) epipens at about a $250 profit each year to go on 20,000 planes. So do the math, $8 million per year profit. That's a return any stock broker can only dream of.

Senator Mark Kirk gets a nice fat paycheck, may get some stock options or Mylan may promise to hire him to do a speaking engagement after he leaves office for $1 million dollars to repay him for sponsoring the bill. Better yet, they may give him $1 million several times over since he's now also willing to vote in favor of a bill that limits patent rights on medications in the USA or allows Pharma companies to trade patent rights like playing cards.

So now Mylan decides it doesn't make enough money off of this asthma medication but would like to boost sales of it's epipen but they have some competition. The competition isn't really worried about their epi injector but really wants to focus on profits for it's new Asthma drug. So Mylan goes to this other company and trades the rights to that asthma pill they have to another company who give Mylan the only other patent rights to sell an epi injector. Now both companies have exclusive rights to sell that medication and can control the price.

Now that has been settled and Epi-pen is all set up to turn a BILLION dollars. They decide the Congressmen has done a fantastic job and offers him a position when he leaves office to become a member of the board of directors with a $10 million paycheck to thank him for his service. It's faux job, he'll never have to work, simply an avenue for them to pay for his service while in Congress. Pretty sweet setup.


Who can guess why nobody will press charges or arrest them?

Well, there may be a few laws broken or some grey areas that are played around in but the FDA and SEC are both so understaffed it's insane. Let's just say someone decides they want to investigate and start digging around. They find a few things that are very questionable. Suddenly that regulator gets offered a job by the company they are investigating for 5 times their current salary.

Mostly though, the reason nobody presses charges or arrests are made is quite simple.
They don't break any laws, all of the above has been made legal by politicians from the Republican and Democratic parties.

Do you know how these parties get away with this? It's easy. They know you'll still vote for them because they learned from sports teams a long time ago that people would rather pick a side they identify with and cheer them on while hating the competition. They have even managed to get many of you reading this to donate money to them in order to get in office and so they can benefit from this exact behavior. They know that you may find out, the information is pretty much open to the public but they also know they have you hooked in, a fan for life. You'll pretend it doesn't exist, you'll try to rationalize your donation and decision to continue supporting them. Hell, you may even parlay your loyalty on your favorite sports team forum and try to convince others why you should vote for that person. Worst case scenario is you switch sides for a few years only to come running back because you found the same behavior from the competition.

No, this doesn't only happen in Pharma, it happens all over healthcare. It happens with the insurance companies, it happens with the banks, investment firms, real estate, foreign governments, oil, corn, milk, telecom, prisons and pretty much every other sector in the world.

This is a system so corrupt and rotten as to be incapable and undesiring of reform, hence reform will need to be imposed on it from the outside. When We the People truly get fed up with business-as-usual politics in DC then we will impose change by force or by vote. Let them keep it up and their shenanigans will finally unite us. That or we can all be eventual slaves to the wealth and power addicts.

 

[saintmdterps]

I truly believe these people get caught up in their own world, and they compare themselves to other millionaires. They don't want to have to pull a Kevin Hart and explain their checking, and savings account.

However, price gouging decades old medication should land you in jail. There is no justification for this kind of psychopathic greed.

They live in a world that is not the same as the one in which we live. Their perceptions are skewed by the simple fact that they are addicted to power and wealth, so when you and I say "How much is enough?" the answer is quite simply "There is no such thing as enough"

You can't stop a sugar craving with more sugar.

 

[onthurdays]

How bout the government allow some competition instead of causing this problem by giving this stupid company the monopoly of a patent.

No, that's too simple.

 

[Saint_Ward]

When a drug company develops a new drug, the FDA tests its efficacy and then issues a patent, which is generally 12 years of exclusive rights. That drug company may extend that patent if they change the formulation - usually they make it 'extended-release' (it's in a different matrix which changes the absorption rate) or something as simple as changing the salt formulation (drugs are mixed in a liquid and you add a base or acid for it to turn it into a salt to precipitate). The new formulations are going to advertise less side-effects, and it's more convenient to take it once-a-day compared to two or three-times-a-day

Basically, they control the prices once they get the stamp of approval from the FDA. They negotiate with different HMO's (insurance companies) to come to an agreement on prices. If they agree on a price, it's put on the formulary - if they don't, your insurance company will simply not pay for it (again, physicians and pharmacists are not a part of these negotiations). The laws are very fluid, but the FDA basically determines whether a drug is effective and safe - it does not determine whether this new drug is more effective than the drugs already on the market or control the prices. Medicare can't negotiate prices for some reason (they simply won't cover it if the price is too high), but TriCare (active or retired military members) can, and those lucky individuals usually pay the cheapest prices.

Other countries have different regulations and markets. You may get them cheaper in another country but it depends on a lot of factors - you'd have to speak to a lawyer or economist about the specifics. Canada does accept prescriptions from the US and that's all I'm going to say about that.

Edit: I want to add that if a drug is not on your formulary, speak to your physician or pharmacist on your options. Sometimes, the physician can do a prior-authorization or the pharmacist can do a manual override to get your insurance company to cover it (and you just pay a co-pay). So talk to them. We're here to help.

The problem is that a lot of people are now on HDHP plans with HSA accounts. So, that means you pay the "insurance rate" IF they allow the medication, until you hit your deductible. So, you may be paying $100-600 per 2 pack anyway, even though you have insurance, until you hit your $4500 (or less if single) deductible.

When these type of HSA tax free accounts were started to use HDHP's, it really exposed a lot of the insurance costs we never knew about or felt.

Who cares if an epipen costs $600, if it's just a $20 copay, right?

But now that many of us have to shoulder the burden up front (to pay a lot less in premiums), we care and we weren't given a voice in the negotiations.

But shame on the insurance companies for letting these pharma companies to jack up their rates so stupid. THEY are the ones who are supposed to stop this crap. In a way, THEY are supposed to be the watch dog, but they don't care, because they just push the cost to everyone with or without insurance.

If we actually had a government agency that could regulate these things, there would be a vested interest in balancing out corporate profit, insurance rates and profit, and US Citizen costs / insurance premium rates. Allowing Medicare/Medicaid the ability to negotiate on behalf of all insurance (or form a board or something), we wouldn't see these stupid increases in such a short time.

 

[Bayouboy]

They just bilk us like mad because they can, and because they spend more lobbying Congress than tobacco, oil and the NRA all rolled into one.

America will never be great again until we can ban lobbying or at least rein in the influence big companies have on policy. Unfortunately, those that could put handcuffs on lobbyists are the same lawmakers taking the "bribes".

 

[BHM]

That's why you don't let certain things into the free market. You don't let people hire private judges and police to arrest who they want to pay to arrest. You don't have firemen only put out fires at homes if they keep fire insurance up to date for their family. Oddly, we think it's fine to allow full extortion when it comes to deciding whether our loved ones or selves get to live or die, because how could it be wrong for someone to profit off of your desire to live?

We figured this out so easily for Fire and Police and Military, and I'm not at all sure how medicine slipped through the cracks.

With all the police shootings and riots taking place, are we sure we sure we want government running it? How about our public schools?

Apparently she (the CEO) is the daughter of democratic senator Joe Manchin.

This is the hypocracy of the Democratic Party at its finest.

Also 2 of the 3 that introduced the airline bill requiring epipens were Democrat.




The go to battle cry is for government to take over. For government to run things. Every time we feel we are getting shafted by free enterprise we want government to fix it. we want government to regulate it.Then we complain about government being bought and paid for. We forget that government is run by the same people that run corporations.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

How about our public schools?
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