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So admittedly there's a bit of gotcha to the news, but for a guy who is steadfast against the idea of universal healthcare, the hypocrisy of his decision is blatant. Surely he could get the same procedure in the U.S. and avoid making use of a system he's so ideologically opposed to.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/14/rand-paul-neighbor-attack-senator-have-surgery-canada/2568200002/
I looked them up, and allegedly they are a world wide leader in tissue only hernia repair (no mesh). Granted, I'm sure plenty of US hernia specialists also do tissue only repair, but I didn't look it up.

He would have to pay for the treatment in Canada, but still, does seem to be an interesting choice.

What's wrong with US medicine? He's a doctor, he doesn't like his options in the USA? Also, shows he's clearly rich enough to fly to Canada, pay for this surgery likely without insurance coverage.

Should we force members of Congress to get their medical care in the US, much like force Government contractors to buy American (where possible)?
 
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Right. And if it's a decision based on expertise, that undermines the idea that a universal system is a threat to innovation and high quality care.

But I think there is a sane argument to make that if a person's political identity is so invested in being against that kind of system, stand on principle and don't make use of it when the decision to do so is entirely optional.
 

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I'd love to hear him answer questions about this. I doubt he would because he's a two faced, lying piece of garbage to begin with, but forcing him to not answer the questions would be an embarrassment in and of itself.
 

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Why is he a hypocrite if he is paying for the procedure. Now if he was going there and getting it done for free, I can see the point.

And secondly, his neighbor can land a good tackle.
 

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Why is he a hypocrite if he is paying for the procedure. Now if he was going there and getting it done for free, I can see the point.

And secondly, his neighbor can land a good tackle.
Because of the claims that socialized medicine means lesser quality of treatments/medicine that he and his ilk have made when trying to repeal the ACA and every time someone brings up Medicare for all?
 

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SHOULDICE HOSPITAL
The Global Leader in Non-Mesh Hernia Repair.
For over 70 years, we have been the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias. More than 98% of our cases are performed with our natural tissue technique...without the use of mesh
So they must be pretty good at it which is why someone would choose to go there.
They are also a private hospital so you have to pay out of pocket.
 

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Because of the claims that socialized medicine means lesser quality of treatments/medicine that he and his ilk have made when trying to repeal the ACA and every time someone brings up Medicare for all?
Yes @IntenseSaint the major point is that Rand Paul has stated that various forms of socialized medicine would lower quality of care.

Specifically, when it came to community health centers, he equated the notion of health care as a right to slavery of doctors...

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/05/paul-right-to-health-care-is-slavery-054769

From his own website, which, as expected, has little to no details.

https://www.randpaul.com/issues/health-care

Rand Paul Supports Free-Market Principles in Health Care and the Repeal of Obamacare
I was not a member of the United States Senate during the 111th Congress, but if I had been I would have voted against ObamaCare. I would have fought against it with every bone in my body.
Today, Americans are all too familiar with ObamaCare’s soaring health insurance premiums, shuttered hospitals, and poorer quality healthcare.
As your U.S. Senator, I will continue to fight until every word of ObamaCare is wiped off the federal books.

AMERICAN HEALTHCARE NEEDS REAL REFORM — NOT OBAMACARE

As a physician, I have had firsthand experience with the immense problems facing health care in the United States. I saw it each and every day on the job.
Prior to the implementation of Obamacare, our health care system was over-regulated and in need of serious market reforms — and ObamaCare has only made it worse.
Government interventions in health care have driven up the cost of coverage and decreased competition within the market.
More — not less — freedom to choose and innovate will make sure our health care system remains the best in the world
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Here, has outlines some specifics. Some of which, are actually decent ideas.

https://www.randpaul.com/news/obamacare-replacement-act-rand-paul

If "socialized medicine" is so horrible, why is he going to a Canadian surgical center to get his hernia repaired?
 

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SHOULDICE HOSPITAL
The Global Leader in Non-Mesh Hernia Repair.
For over 70 years, we have been the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias. More than 98% of our cases are performed with our natural tissue technique...without the use of mesh
So they must be pretty good at it which is why someone would choose to go there.
They are also a private hospital so you have to pay out of pocket.
They are and they aren't. Canadians get it mostly paid for, from what I am reading. US and International residents would have to pay.

Ontario Patients
Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan (OHIP) covers all costs to Ontario residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

Non-Ontario Canadian Resident Patients
Provincial health insurance plans cover all costs to Canadian residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services. Hospital ward charges are billed directly to respective provincial health ministries, with applicable physician services subject to payment by patients on admission. These fees may be submitted to provincial health plans for reimbursement based on paperwork provided to you on discharge. The amount you will be reimbursed will be dependent on your provinces applicable schedule of medical fees.

All qualifying patients will receive an admission letter with a breakdown of fees specific to their surgical procedure and related hospital stay.

Semi-private rooms are available at an additional cost. Patients with private insurance may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork we provide to you on discharge. We do not bill insurance companies directly on your behalf.

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.

US and International Patients
All patients who have submitted their medical questionnaire for assessment and have been qualified for surgery will receive a letter outlining our estimated fees specific to their stated surgical procedure and related hospital stay. Patients with private insurance coverage may be eligible for reimbursement on submission of paperwork provided to you. We do not bill insurance companies on your behalf, however, Shouldice Hospital has no-cost consultants trained to help you with your claim (as foreign insurance coverage is complicated we encourage all patients to pre-approve their coverage prior to admission).

All charges are payable on admission by credit card, bank draft or cash.
 
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Being a private hospital is it part of Canada's universal healthcare system?
Looks like they've updated the article to include the information it's a private facility and to publish from a statement released by Paul's office.

So that's an important clarification. I still think there is a discussion to be had as it relates to access to quality care and, in this case, the coexistence of a universal model and "world-renowned" private care facilities. The opposition to universal care has heavily relied on the argument that such a system poses a real threat to innovative treatment and procedures.
 

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Being a private hospital is it part of Canada's universal healthcare system?
From the updated article.

While Shouldice Hernia Hospital is privately owned — like many Canadian hospitals — it receives a majority of its funding from the Ontario government and accepts the Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan.
 
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It's also important to remember that the average person can't easily afford $8,000 out of pocket for a medical procedure. The option for Paul to travel to Canada to buy "world-renowned" treatment isn't practical for many of the people he represents in Congress.

That's also a part of the discussion, even if his press secretary wants others to believe there is nothing to this story.
 

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