Real Estate Agents and Builders to stop using the terms “master bedroom” and “master bathroom” (2 Viewers)

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Is the word “master” offensive because it may have a racist and/or sexist connotation?

It’s honestly something I’ve never thought about.
 

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They should've just changed it and not announced it. Same thing with all those other companies. Just do it. Rebrand without trying to win brownie points upfront. Talk about it after the new packaging has already hit the shelves.
Great points. I wish more entities adopted the Just Do It model. Both of the schools that my kids attend or will attend have sent out 2,000 word manifestos about all the new diversity initiatives they plan to implement and new positions they will create to atone for their racial insensitivities, etc. Both these places are already pretty woke and already have major efforts in this area. At this point, it's just peformative.

If they actually see the need to add additional staff to the inclusion office or whatever, just do it. Because after awhile this stuff alienates both the audience they are trying to make amends with and the audience that is skeptical of the whole venture. Just do it, and the people will judge the outcome.
 

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Everyday words and phrases are swapped out and updated all the time. Especially in realty.

Sunshine became "natural lighting." Bathroom sinks became vanities. The living room became the family room. Patios became outdoor living spaces and very few care or even asks why. So I think the reason behind this proposed change is what some people don't like. But they won't admit it.

It's not like the word gets locked away in a vault, never to be uttered again. I'm sure some realtors still refer to that "second living space" as a den.

They should've just changed it and not announced it. Same thing with all those other companies. Just do it. Rebrand without trying to win brownie points upfront. Talk about it after the new packaging has already hit the shelves.
Move this post to the front and close the thread
This said it all very well
 
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Everyday words and phrases are swapped out and updated all the time. Especially in realty.

Sunshine became "natural lighting." Bathroom sinks became vanities. The living room became the family room. Patios became outdoor living spaces and very few care or even asks why. So I think the reason behind this proposed change is what some people don't like. But they won't admit it.
See, I was right there with you up until the accusations of racism.

They should've just changed it and not announced it. Same thing with all those other companies. Just do it. Rebrand without trying to win brownie points upfront. Talk about it after the new packaging has already hit the shelves.
Right back on board with you. This is exactly what I said several posts back.

My issue isn't with deciding to call it something different, it's with making a public display of it. Because then, what they're doing merely as a self promotion, they're falsely attaching a negative connotation where none existed. Then you have people teaching their children "see how ingrained racism is in our vernacular, they used to call this the master's bedroom" when that's not why it was called that at all.
 

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See, I was right there with you up until the accusations of racism.
He's not accusing you of racism. You're not even listening to him. He's saying the proposed change represents a societal shift away from "white man subjugates everyone else" that makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
 
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Nothing in-depth, but clicking around online, some of the momentum behind this appears as much about the misogyny of the term, and there are concerns raised going back years. I think an argument can be made it’s outdated if not offensive.
 

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Nothing in-depth, but clicking around online, some of the momentum behind this appears as much about the misogyny of the term, and there are concerns raised going back years. I think an argument can be made it’s outdated if not offensive.
That makes some sense too. I mean, I didn't see much made about the naming issue, but if it's outdated, then fine, change it to main and leave it at that. Don't even have to change the abbreviations MBR for ads and home descriptions. No biggie.
 
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That makes some sense too. I mean, I didn't see much made about the naming issue, but if it's outdated, then fine, change it to main and leave it at that. Don't even have to change the abbreviations MBR for ads and home descriptions. No biggie.
I've been in construction way too long to be able to change my language...it would feel so fake and contrived, and most of the time I would just forget, and "master bedroom" would be blurted, and if it was an African American family, I'd feel like an idiot when I stutter to quick call it "main bedroom". Maybe the younger generation will adapt to the new non offensive language better than us who have been in this business for 25 years. I really dont care if the name is changed, but for me, it's like saying we will now call a chicken a hicken. I'm going to slip up.
 

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not sayin just sayin
 

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not sayin just sayin
I think it's a great question by Dave but most of this board is white dudes. In terms of how we can help, I'd like to hear from our black posters. I don't think it's really my place as a white man to go tell people how they can best help fight systemic racism. I suspect that feeling is shared by many.
 

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I think it's a great question by Dave but most of this board is white dudes. In terms of how we can help, I'd like to hear from our black posters. I don't think it's really my place as a white man to go tell people how they can best help fight systemic racism. I suspect that feeling is shared by many.
sure, at the same time - i've heard some version of 'it's not my job to teach you how to undo racism" from many including my wife (not directed at me, directed at the people trying to get her on diversity panels, and said mostly out of frustration than any real animus)
and i've also heard plenty of 'it's not time to ask your black friends to burden themselves with you betterment - they have enough on their plate at the moment
Code Switch tackled this a bit in their episode "Why Now, White People?"

and i REALLY get where you're coming from with the 'not really my place' angle
BUT
pull back far enough and that's essentially approaching approaching african americans and saying, "tell me how to stop hitting you"

in this instance racism is not their disease to cure, it's ours
now obviously they have a vested interest in the cure (like they would have a vested interest in not being punched), but the burden of stopping falls to us
so maybe the conversation is something like:
Wypipo: point me to the racism
AA: *points*
Wypipo: cool, if you want to point out the load bearing parts so we can bring this down quickly, cool - but if you want to just kick it over there while we work at this, then also cool
 

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