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I am going to attempt a balanced view here based on all I have read.

1. I think Reggie Bush and his family knowingly took money from a sports agent.

2. I think Bush is a smart guy and however they tried to disguise this "arrangement", he knew it was wrong and could impact his eligibilty at USC.

3. Beyond impacting his eligibility Reggie was selfishly putting his whole USC team at risk, and the program might still be at risk because of this.

4. USC had to know something or at a miniumum turn a blind eye to the arrangement. When your super star player's family ends up in a real nice place I believe someone in the program knew enough to investigate this.

5. The agent is a sleazeball.

6. The agent has a problem with his lawsuit. Since he knew what he was doing was wrong, he couldnt create the proper paperwork necessary to protect himself. Unless its spelled out in some contract, I would take the position the agent put himself at risk by giving gifts(read:bribes) without a firm contract.

7. The agent has problems in front a jury. He is sleazy and no one will feel sorry for him. A jury will look for a way to screw him.

8. Bush has some problems in front of a jury. Will they see him as an innocent athlete preyed upon by an unethical agent or a selfish superstar who put his team at risk and welshed on a deal? Or will they see it somewhere in between?

9. I am having a hard time thinking of doing something stupider than having your "bodyguard" bring a gun to a deposition. Is Bush trying to look more gangsta than Pacman? He gave the sleazeball agent a plausible reason to back out of a deposition he didnt want to give.

10. Reggie Bush has been a mixed bag with the Saints. He has brought instant excitement to the franchise and shown flashes of greatness. I wish he had worked out with the team last year and think he is doing damage to his image with all these distractions. Bush is one of the most marketable people in all of sports. He needs to perform on the field to keep that and watch himself off the field in the future. Oh yeah, and he needs to lose the bodyguards packing heat at depositions, or at least have them hide the heat better.
 
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That was a very good way of summing things up. Bush knowingly broke the rules (probably thinking it would all be ok as he was young hotshot), USC possibly/probably turned a blind eye, and no one really feels sorry for the agent.
 

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9. I am having a hard time thinking of doing something stupider than having your "bodyguard" bring a gun to a deposition. Is Bush trying to look more gangsta than Pacman? He gave the sleazeball agent a plausible reason to back out of a deposition he didnt want to give.
It was Reggie's lawyer's bodyguard. Reggie wasn't there from what I understand after reading a few links about the situation.
 
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It was Reggie's lawyer's bodyguard. Reggie wasn't there from what I understand after reading a few links about the situation.
Okay, is there anything dumber than a lawyer with a bodyguard packing heat? I am trying to think of lawyers who have represented me in the past and how many have bodyguards. Hmmmmm. None I am pretty sure.

I think Reggie Bush has a lot going for him. I also think he has not handled this whole thing well. I dont know enough to know if he is to blame for the armed bodyguard and if that reflects on him making a poor choice for a lawyer. Either way it doesnt reflect well on him and it all flows from his decision to deal with this agent.

If the facts turn out he had nothing to do with this then I will be the first to write an apology thread. Right now it seems like there is abundant evidence Bush and his family were getting money and other consdieration from an agent while he played at USC.

What makes it worse is that Bush doesnt seem to be you dumb jock who got taken advantage of and didnt understand. Bush seems very bright to me.
 

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Okay, is there anything dumber than a lawyer with a bodyguard packing heat? I am trying to think of lawyers who have represented me in the past and how many have bodyguards. Hmmmmm. None I am pretty sure.

I think Reggie Bush has a lot going for him. I also think he has not handled this whole thing well. I dont know enough to know if he is to blame for the armed bodyguard and if that reflects on him making a poor choice for a lawyer. Either way it doesnt reflect well on him and it all flows from his decision to deal with this agent.

If the facts turn out he had nothing to do with this then I will be the first to write an apology thread. Right now it seems like there is abundant evidence Bush and his family were getting money and other consdieration from an agent while he played at USC.

What makes it worse is that Bush doesnt seem to be you dumb jock who got taken advantage of and didnt understand. Bush seems very bright to me.
From what I read, it sounded like the reason for having the guard packing heat stemmed from earlier threats from the agent and the agent alleged gang history. Not saying I agree with the move. Both sides seem to be insinuating that they are trying to intimidate each other.

Good post, by the way St. Dude. My guess is that team Bush will have more success at painting a bad picture of the agent than they will have at making Reggie look bad. My opinion only.
 

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st dude this feels like "no country for old men". i go in expecting some humor and walk out wondering if that was what i thought it was. please tell me that you haven't gone legit on me!
 

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I think of ethics. Not only can you not act improperly you must avoid the appearance of it.
Neither showed much there, but there is one big difference. The fact that this started before Reggie turned 21 and carried over after. Young and dumb is an excuse in my book, but now it's time to man up and it "seems' that neither of the two are capable. I couldn't care less about Lake, but do care about where Reggie ends up. Not just because of the Saints connection but because I hate to see all the money that is made off of college atheletes that they never see a penny of.

So if Lake is guilty of mail or wire fraud or something, let jusctice prevail. In Reggie's case, this has revealed more of some appearances that he's immature and selfish-- appearances that I've been in denial of and that I'm still not convinced are valid but ones that are getting harder and harder to deny as being real.
 
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st dude this feels like "no country for old men". i go in expecting some humor and walk out wondering if that was what i thought it was. please tell me that you haven't gone legit on me!
It wasnt funny? :ezbill:

Sorry dude, I'll go back to (at least)trying to be funny as my attempts to be serious usually fizzle.
 

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Okay, is there anything dumber than a lawyer with a bodyguard packing heat? I am trying to think of lawyers who have represented me in the past and how many have bodyguards. Hmmmmm. None I am pretty sure.

I think Reggie Bush has a lot going for him. I also think he has not handled this whole thing well. I dont know enough to know if he is to blame for the armed bodyguard and if that reflects on him making a poor choice for a lawyer. Either way it doesnt reflect well on him and it all flows from his decision to deal with this agent.

If the facts turn out he had nothing to do with this then I will be the first to write an apology thread. Right now it seems like there is abundant evidence Bush and his family were getting money and other consdieration from an agent while he played at USC.

What makes it worse is that Bush doesnt seem to be you dumb jock who got taken advantage of and didnt understand. Bush seems very bright to me.
I think the bolded statement is rediculous. So, Reggie should be held accountable for everyone he comes into contact with? Has any one of your friends/employees ever done anything with you being there or not, that was bad/criminal? Were you blamed for being friends with or employing said person?

I don't get that point at all......the rest of your post I agree with.
 
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I think the bolded statement is rediculous. So, Reggie should be held accountable for everyone he comes into contact with? Has any one of your friends/employees ever done anything with you being there or not, that was bad/criminal? Were you blamed for being friends with or employing said person?

I don't get that point at all......the rest of your post I agree with.

I dont follow you. Where did I say Bush was accountable for his lawyer? I thought I said I dont know enough to know if Bush has any accountability for this.

I do think it reflects poorly on him even if its not his fault. I would be upset if my lawyer showed up with armed bodyguards at a deposition and it got all over the news.

Whether it should reflect badly on him is another question. And yes, lots of things other people do can reflect poorly on you, whether its your fault or not. Thats just life. If one of my employees pulls a gun on somebody, its going to cause embarrassment for me.

Right or wrong Reggies image took a hit by this incident. You dont think?
 

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Can we move on? It's no secret that every single NCAA football player that has a good chance of going pro receives money from 'somewhere'. most of these guys come from nothing but drive around campus in H2's on 30 in. rims..... if anyone can honestly say this type of thing doesnt happen take a short ride to LSU's campus and find out what the top prospects are driving and then ask yourself how they can afford it......its a part of college sports.....a 21 year old kid a few months away from signing a 30 million dollar contract...in Reggies case a whole lot more....is going to get offers from people who want to get a chunk of that before anyone else does....its the nature of the game. Can you honestly expect anyone not to try to offer Gleen dorsey money right now (as an advance) to get him to sign with an agent?? Reggie was just putting his parents in a nicer house can u blame him? he obviously made a poor judgement call by dealing with these low lifes but he apparently was smart enough to never sign any sort of legal document all he did was have his step dad get recorded over the phone saying that the Bush's did owe them money and they obviously were living in someone's house that wasn't theres. If that idiot from Yahoo wasnt so intent on ruining Reggie's reputation then this story would have been over long ago.....but that same idiot wouldnt drop it even though he never really had anything more than a semi-smoking gun.....and thats all it still is....

if some of the athletes at the College I goto can roll around on $30,000 rims before they get drafted in the first round....why cant reggie put his parents in a nice house? It's not like he was being flashy....
 

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Can we move on? It's no secret that every single NCAA football player that has a good chance of going pro receives money from 'somewhere'. most of these guys come from nothing but drive around campus in H2's on 30 in. rims..... if anyone can honestly say this type of thing doesnt happen take a short ride to LSU's campus and find out what the top prospects are driving and then ask yourself how they can afford it......its a part of college sports.....a 21 year old kid a few months away from signing a 30 million dollar contract...in Reggies case a whole lot more....is going to get offers from people who want to get a chunk of that before anyone else does....its the nature of the game. Can you honestly expect anyone not to try to offer Gleen dorsey money right now (as an advance) to get him to sign with an agent?? Reggie was just putting his parents in a nicer house can u blame him? he obviously made a poor judgement call by dealing with these low lifes but he apparently was smart enough to never sign any sort of legal document all he did was have his step dad get recorded over the phone saying that the Bush's did owe them money and they obviously were living in someone's house that wasn't theres. If that idiot from Yahoo wasnt so intent on ruining Reggie's reputation then this story would have been over long ago.....but that same idiot wouldnt drop it even though he never really had anything more than a semi-smoking gun.....and thats all it still is....

if some of the athletes at the College I goto can roll around on $30,000 rims before they get drafted in the first round....why cant reggie put his parents in a nice house? It's not like he was being flashy....
sounds like someone that's feeling defensive... what you driving? J/k

If it's that rampant than it's at a breaking point. What better way to expose and rid it than a high profile player and school than RB and USC?

Just as we see the "Juiced" fallout with baseball stars & award recipients, and I hope that serves as a wakeup call to all sports about the wrongfulness of juicing, the fallout from this should have all bad actors cleaning their proverbial acts up.

And as bad actors go... Agents, AD's, boosters, head caoches and all others that are complacent in this are at the front of the line.
 
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I dont follow you. Where did I say Bush was accountable for his lawyer? I thought I said I dont know enough to know if Bush has any accountability for this.

I do think it reflects poorly on him even if its not his fault. I would be upset if my lawyer showed up with armed bodyguards at a deposition and it got all over the news.

Whether it should reflect badly on him is another question. And yes, lots of things other people do can reflect poorly on you, whether its your fault or not. Thats just life. If one of my employees pulls a gun on somebody, its going to cause embarrassment for me.

Right or wrong Reggies image took a hit by this incident. You dont think?
Completely misread your statement...........twice!! Sorry.......I guess it's time to call it a day..:covri:
 
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It's no secret that every single NCAA football player that has a good chance of going pro receives money from 'somewhere'. most of these guys come from nothing but drive around campus in H2's on 30 in. rims Can you honestly expect anyone not to try to offer Gleen dorsey money right now (as an advance) to get him to sign with an agent?? Reggie was just putting his parents in a nicer house can u blame him? why cant reggie put his parents in a nice house? It's not like he was being flashy....

Bush(apparently) took money while a player at USC. In doing so he put his eligibilty in question and took a chance every game he was in USC would have to forfeit.

I dont care if anyone offers Dorsey money now, his eligibilty with LSU is over and what he does wont hurt his school or other players.

Call me dumb but no, I dont think all players bound for the NFL take houses from unscrupulous agents. I do believe that some do take money and get away with it. It looks like Bush isnt getting away with it and whether USC has problems remains to be seen.
 

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I was discussing the situation earlier with my cousin and my comments were:

1. Reggie, or his family, most probably took some form of payment from these folks. There is a reason Reggie settled with the other guy in the case.

2. Reggie should have settled with this Lake guy as well. If they took $300k in advanced payments, then man up and pay it back.

3. The Lake guy threatened Reggie and it angered him. Reggie is now operating on emotion instead of intelligence.

4. Lake does not have enough of a case against Reggie to get his money, but he wants to embarrass Reggie for trying to make him out to be a fool.

5. If Reggie loses even one potential endorsement deal, it will cost him more than the $300k this guy wanted to settle the case for.
 

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Okay, is there anything dumber than a lawyer with a bodyguard packing heat? I am trying to think of lawyers who have represented me in the past and how many have bodyguards. Hmmmmm. None I am pretty sure.

I think Reggie Bush has a lot going for him. I also think he has not handled this whole thing well. I dont know enough to know if he is to blame for the armed bodyguard and if that reflects on him making a poor choice for a lawyer. Either way it doesnt reflect well on him and it all flows from his decision to deal with this agent.

If the facts turn out he had nothing to do with this then I will be the first to write an apology thread. Right now it seems like there is abundant evidence Bush and his family were getting money and other consdieration from an agent while he played at USC.

What makes it worse is that Bush doesnt seem to be you dumb jock who got taken advantage of and didnt understand. Bush seems very bright to me.
When your a lawyer, going into a depostion with a former gangmember who has threatned to kill Bush back in Decemeber, its probably a good idea to have a body guard. Depositions in civil cases are not held under police security. You go to a private office, usually setup specifcally for depositions (they have big conf rooms, in house food etc.) and you sit alone with the oppositions lawyer and client. It is not the least bit unusual for one side to hire security for it, especially in a case like this.
 
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