Report: Raiders haven’t given Derek Carr permission to seek trade (1 Viewer)

[onanygivensunday]

His 2024 and 2025 dead money won't be escalated forward into a single year. If, rather when, he is cut, the Raiders will have dead money on their books for 2023, 2024, and 2025 from Carr's contract. The only way that dead money will total $5.625m is if he is a post-June 1 cut.

No, I think that you have that wrong.

When a player is cut, there are only two options re dead money... (1) pre-June 1st cut requires all dead money (remaining prorated signing bonus amounts) goes against that year's cap, or (2) designating the cut as post-June 1st, which allows the dead money to be split over this year and next year.

There is no case that I know of where there is dead money for cutting a player that extends to year 3 or beyond. It all comes due in the first year (pre-June 1st cut) or is split between year 1 and year 2 (again, for a post June 1st cut, whether designated or not).

In Carr's case, if he is a pre-June 1st cut, his dead money will be $5.625M... and it will all go against the Raiders 2023 cap. After this year, he is totally off the books for the Raiders.

 

[BreesusSaves]

No, I think that you have that wrong.

When a player is cut, there are only two options re dead money... (1) pre-June 1st cut requires all dead money (remaining prorated signing bonus amounts) goes against that year's cap, or (2) designating the cut as post-June 1st, which allows the dead money to be split over this year and next year.

There is no case that I know of where there is dead money for cutting a player that extends to year 3 or beyond. It all comes due in the first year (pre-June 1st cut) or is split between year 1 and year 2 (again, for a post June 1st cut, whether designated or not).

In Carr's case, if he is a pre-June 1st cut, his dead money will be $5.625M... and it will all go against the Raiders 2023 cap. After this year, he is totally off the books for the Raiders.

We'll see. Either way I think we both agree that Carr is going to be cut Feb 15th.

 

[SystemShock]

That's your opinion.

If he was that good, he wouldn't have gotten benched.

... by the same HC who drafted Tim Tebow in the 1st round

 

[saint_drago]

I can see that, though I think Carr gets a better offer elsewhere if that's what the Saints are offering. But, I'm kinda tired of Band-Aids. I'd rather just rip off the Band-Aid and go with a young QB and spend the money elsewhere till we find the right QB. If you're going to get meh QB play, I don't want to spend $30 million a year for it.

The thing that the Saints have to weigh is they could win with Carr. They could get to the playoffs and maybe win a playoff game. But, that's about as far as Carr is going to take them unless the defense is a lockdown defense.

If they want to find an elite QB, they will have to find one in the draft. But, there's no guarantee that they will find one even if they are drafting in the top 10. So, if you have an opportunity to get a guy like Carr it's kinda hard to refuse to pull the trigger even though it's probably better to pass on him. If my job were on the line like DA's is, I'd make every effort to get Carr and he would make or break my career.

This is a great point. A lot of fans want to be good enough to win a Super Bowl or bad enough to get a high draft pick to find the future at QB. But for the coaches and front office, this is their actual livelihoods we're talking about. They can't throw their hands up and say to hell with it and start some random rookie QB they drafted. They have to try to win to justify their job. Especially Dennis Allen. So of course he's going to want a vet QB who might not be great shakes but he's the best he can do for now. If I'm DA I'm thinking bring in Carr, try to reach 10 wins and make a run at the division to keep my job.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

That's your opinion.

If he was that good, he wouldn't have gotten benched.

Even if he is way better he’s just not worth that money. Not in our current cap and roster age situation. He is not the missing link.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Carr is way better than any QB we have right now.

And it's not even close. Especially with fire and leadership.

 

[Merl]

Carr got benched because the Raiders were going no where by that point and they didn't want to take the chance he would get injured since I believe you can't out right cut an injured player without an injury settlement.

 

[jahsoul357]

and especially at the price he will cost.

ESPECIALLY with the price. Nothing quantifies him being "way better" than what we have now (unless you listened to the excuses afforded to him why the Raiders haven't won that doesn't seem to apply to others) and what he will demand makes it even more ridiculous.

 

[Saint Greg]

ESPECIALLY with the price. Nothing quantifies him being "way better" than what we have now (unless you listened to the excuses afforded to him why the Raiders haven't won that doesn't seem to apply to others) and what he will demand makes it even more ridiculous.

We don't have anyone now.

 

[Rexman100]

Carr seems to be in a similar situation as Stafford was at Detroit. He just needs a stable franchise with most of the pieces in place to make the leap to being an elite Qb. If i were ML id be all in DC. While i was writing this i went online for stats. Apparently this comparison has already been done. https://www.statspros.com/derek-carr-vs-matthew-stafford-stats/

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

We don't have anyone now.

Winston is under contract. I know he’s probably gone but just stating a fact. As of now.

 

[Saint Greg]

Winston is under contract. I know he’s probably gone but just stating a fact. As of now.

He's 100% gone. Zero chance he plays another down for this team. If you want to consider that "having him." Okay we have Winston for a couple more weeks.

 

[jahsoul357]

He's 100% gone. Zero chance he plays another down for this team. If you want to consider that "having him." Okay we have Winston for a couple more weeks.

Maybe, but at this moment, he still under contract, so the fact remains..lol

 

[Swampy Saint]

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you can't even say his name.

How can you blame the o-line for losses and then say someone as immobile as Dalton is just as good? A QB with an ounce of athleticism helps to offset the o-line issues. Dalton in his prime isn't as good as Carr, now he's on the level of spoiled milk.

Andy Dalton / Jameis Winston / and my personal favorite, Taysom Hill.
You act as you know me with comments like "you can't even say his name". What exactly were you getting at there?

You thought the Oline played great? If so, you might want to find another argument.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Maybe, but at this moment, he still under contract, so the fact remains..lol

Yep. Which is all I was saying as I see all these posts saying we have no QB under contract. Just false.