Republicans: What change needs to occur within the party? (1 Viewer)

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First of all, not trying to flame..Just was curious for your opinions..

Let's assume, hypothetically, that Clinton wins the election. The next chance to vote in a GOP candidate will be the year 2020, making it 3 election cycles since a Republican has been voted into office. That's astounding to me..and it seems that changing demographics in our country are almost fully responsible.

I want to know what you think needs to change within your party to start winning elections again. The stances on social, religious, economic, foreign policy, immigration..you name it..what do you see as crucial going forward?

I've heard some say that if Cruz, Kasich or another GOP runner up had gotten the nomination, they would've done much better against Clinton, very possibly beating her by a solid margin. I disagree. I think Trump has done a remarkable job getting a rise out of his base--getting them fired up and out to the voting booths..his animated, unconventional and brash style is working and has worked to fire up his constituents.

I honestly think Trump is simultaneously the best chance the GOP could have had in this election and the worst thing to happen to the party in quite some time. Is it too early to assume that a paradigm shift within the party is inevitable?
 

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.and it seems that changing demographics in our country are almost fully responsible.
I disagree here. It's the craziness that ran me away from what used to be the republican party. anti-vaxers, don't "believe" in science etc..

I've heard some say that if Cruz, Kasich or another GOP runner up had gotten the nomination, they would've done much better against Clinton, very possibly beating her by a solid margin. I disagree. I think Drumpf has done a remarkable job getting a rise out of his base--getting them fired up and out to the voting booths..his animated, unconventional and brash style is working and has worked to fire up his constituents.

I honestly think Drumpf is simultaneously the best chance the GOP could have had in this election and the worst thing to happen to the party in quite some time. Is it too early to assume that a paradigm shift within the party is inevitable?

When/If Clinton wins this election, I'm gonna blame everyone who ever supported Trump. it's my belief that if the republicans had nominated just about anyone that wasn't half insane. They could have won this election easily.

You ask what needs to be done to help the republican party, nominating the likes of Trump was not the best thing.
 

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I would hope most answers start with stop the dumpster fires.

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Is this thread for current GOP members, or can anyone play?
 

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Tear it down to the basics. What is the core of Republican policy? Smaller government. This is not necessarily a bad thing and it doesn't necessarily mean taking financial assistance away from those who really need it. Let's be honest, government isn't going to really get any smaller at this point, but you can pay lip service to that and pledge limitations. That will resonate with a ton of people.

Align the party with Dems/the rest of the country otherwise, and go from there. Hell half of the GOP is close to that right now, put those people at front and center instead of continuing to trot out the more radical elements of the party.

Admit it, you're not going to revoke Roe v. Wade, that cat is out of the bag. If you're going to align yourself with religion, do it in a way that is not hostile to LBGTQs, etc. Stop pounding away on issues that 75% of the country either doesn't care about or has gotten over by now. Stop trying to legislate morality, if you are for deregulation in business and government then it is completely hypocritical to increase regulation in people's personal lives.

Basically, take a libertarian stance, socially and economically, while maintaining a regard for public safety issues. You'll keep the Reagan/Bush conservatives, gain more independents via the Libertarians and sway a lot of centrists who have been voting Dem because you haven't been giving them much of a reasonable alternative.
 
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Is this thread for current GOP members, or can anyone play?
Anyone really, I was just seeing what opinion the GOP voters on this board had about where their party goes from here and what changes need to be made.
 

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Is this thread for current GOP members, or can anyone play?
I would say anyone can play, because the GOP as it exists currently is so far off the mark, that they need to tear up the old playbook and platform and start over.

I'm not gonna ever support the party with the platform as it exists currently. Trump just appealed to the worst aspects of the party, and it disgusts me.
 

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A name change. Trump has done that much damage to the party. And go more towards Libertarian.
 

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This country will continue to go down hill. We can't compete without lower taxes expenses insurance etc. we will continue to see businesses move elsewhere I would love to see America as the best place to move your business in the world. Businesses competing for workers offering nice salaries. I just don't see Clinton making anything better just much worse
 

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First thing is don't think they can fix it overnight. It took two and a half decades to create this mess. It's not getting fixed in one election cycle. They have to play the long game.

1. Refocus your minority outreach. Stop acting like the only way to appeal to blacks and Hispanics is by pretending they are all poor. News flash, we aren't. The demographics of the country have gotten away from you. Winning 70% of white men doesn't cut it anymore. However, you aren't getting the poor vote. Here's the good news, 60% of minority voters are middle class. Another 20% are working class. Your message, if tailored properly, will appeal to them. You have to get rid of the dog whistles and identity politics though. Angry white people are voting for you anyway, stop pretending you have to wink at them to accomplish that.

2. Stop the anti intellectualism. Being stupid isn't cool, stop telling people it is. Embrace science, but offer better ways to address the issues. Come up with a plan to address global warming in a conservative way, don't just deny it. "I'm With Stupid" was meant to be a funny tee-shirt, not a political strategy.

3. Distance yourself from conspiratorial alt-right. This goes back to point 2 but needs to be called out. Fox News, etc. are OK but when your establishment candidates are taking their cues from Infowars and Breitbart you have a cancer. Serious people, meaning most of us, don't take their readers seriously and we won't take you serious either if you parrot their lines or refuse to denounce them.

Basically it all gets back to focusing on the intellectual conservatism that was a staple of the party from the 50's through the 80's (the rot started in 64 but took off with the rise of talk radio in the 90's).
 

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First thing is don't think they can fix it overnight. It took two and a half decades to create this mess. It's not getting fixed in one election cycle. They have to play the long game.

1. Refocus your minority outreach. Stop acting like the only way to appeal to blacks and Hispanics is by pretending they are all poor. News flash, we aren't. The demographics of the country have gotten away from you. Winning 70% of white men doesn't cut it anymore. However, you aren't getting the poor vote. Here's the good news, 60% of minority voters are middle class. Another 20% are working class. Your message, if tailored properly, will appeal to them. You have to get rid of the dog whistles and identity politics though. Angry white people are voting for you anyway, stop pretending you have to wink at them to accomplish that.

2. Stop the anti intellectualism. Being stupid isn't cool, stop telling people it is. Embrace science, but offer better ways to address the issues. Come up with a plan to address global warming in a conservative way, don't just deny it. "I'm With Stupid" was meant to be a funny tee-shirt, not a political strategy.

3. Distance yourself from conspiratorial alt-right. This goes back to point 2 but needs to be called out. Fox News, etc. are OK but when your establishment candidates are taking their cues from Infowars and Breitbart you have a cancer. Serious people, meaning most of us, don't take their readers seriously and we won't take you serious either if you parrot their lines or refuse to denounce them.

Basically it all gets back to focusing on the intellectual conservatism that was a staple of the party from the 50's through the 80's (the rot started in 64 but took off with the rise of talk radio in the 90's).
You should add "Quit chasing the evangelical vote" and quit using their issues as wedge issue.
 

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You should add "Quit chasing the evangelical vote" and quit using their issues as wedge issue.
I think that's actually something that helps them, not hurts. I'm looking at this strictly from a political standpoint, not a moral one. The evangelical vote is about the only reason the GOP is still even remotely relevant.
 

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I think that's actually something that helps them, not hurts. I'm looking at this strictly from a political standpoint, not a moral one. The evangelical vote is about the only reason the GOP is still even remotely relevant.
They're also the ones that have not only driven the party so far to the right, but also set them up to never compromise.
 

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I agree about the fringe evangelical voters. They tend to shun any compromise and champion the issues that alienate most of the middle (pro choice, LBGTQ, immigrants, etc). Some of them are downright scary about bringing on the Apocalypse.
 

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They're also the ones that have not only driven the party so far to the right, but also set them up to never compromise.
I don't know that I agree about that.

I really think it's the right wing media that has made compromise a bad word. They have been the ones that have pushed to primary any Republican that reaches across the isle or doesn't tow the hard right lane. It's really the Tea Party Republicans (which is the right media establishment) that killed the concept of compromise, IMO.
 

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This country will continue to go down hill. We can't compete without lower taxes expenses insurance etc. we will continue to see businesses move elsewhere I would love to see America as the best place to move your business in the world. Businesses competing for workers offering nice salaries. I just don't see Clinton making anything better just much worse
America is the greatest place to live on the earth. It's the best place to raise a family and to open a business. It's the best place to enjoy the freedom we have and a living standard pretty much unmatched in the history of the world. It's a great place if you can make enough money to survive.

The only people who are complaining or moving companies overseas are the greedy, short-sighted profit whores who can't manage a competitive business paying wages fit for Americans to sustain their lifestyles.

I say we let those exploitative scum move to wherever they like and hit them up with a tariff that balances the field and good riddance.

If the US wasn't the greatest place on earth to live there wouldn't be so many people trying to get here and I'm sick and tired of hearing all this doomsayer nonsense about the country going to hell. The only thing wrong is that there are too many greedy scums at the top of the food chain who don't give two shakes about those of us who might not be rich enough to have a yacht or need a tax law favoring generation skipping trust transfers.
 

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