Rivers = This year's Rothlesberger (1 Viewer)

[tristang]

Another horrible game for Rivers, yet because of LT the Chargers won again.

And yet, should Rivers play that bad the rest of the way, and the Chargers still win the SB, people will point and say "Rivers did what Brees couldn't in San Diego".


I hate homers.

 

[saint_brees]

Rivers had a QB rating of 12.4 last night but LT and the defense can carry of the Chargers to the SB like you said.

 

[Domeination]

Your analogy is a pretty good one, I think. With SD's D and LT, the QB doesn't have to do that much but will still get a lot of credit simply becaue of the position he plays. I do think that Rivers has the making of a good QB, though. But like Big Ben was when he won the SB, Rivers is still young and is benefitting mightily from having a great team around him. SD will have to deal with Baltimore, but I'd be surprised if they don't make it to at least the AFC title game. This just may be the year Marty gets the monkey off his back.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Until last night Rivers has played outstanding all year.

There is absolutely no comparison to him and Ben. Ben was never good. He always only threw 15 times a game for 150 yards a TD and pick. Even the superbowl year he was that way.

Rivers will be a stud.

Rivers this year = 3000 yards....62% comp rate....18 TDs 8 INT's....Rating 91.5

You get the picture. In 2004 and 2005 Ben had a great QB rating but he only threw for around 2300 yards both those years.

 

[mt15]

Bonchie - I think Rivers has played well, but not outstanding every game like I think you imply. The Chargers fans are saying Rivers has had 2 really bad games out of the last 4. Every new QB is going to go through these growing pains, the fact that he and Ben and even Romo to a lesser extent, are on really good teams just delays the inevitable.

Also, Ben played at an extremely high level for the Steelers during their playoff run last year, he had a bad game in the Superbowl, though. I think the comparison is apt.

Rivers may end up being a stud, but last night he played gawd-awful. A QBR of 12 (!), and he was at zero until the 4th quarter when he completed a long pass to Jackson. What's worse, he lost his composure and threw a complete fit on the sidelines to the point that the coaches couldn't talk to him. The backup QB's had to calm him down. This may very well be the chink in the Bolts' armor that playoff opponents are looking for.

Since the Saints are potential SB oppenents, I'm glad for anything that the coaches could use to slow that team down.

 

[tristang]

Until last night Rivers has played outstanding all year.

There is absolutely no comparison to him and Ben. Ben was never good. He always only threw 15 times a game for 150 yards a TD and pick. Even the superbowl year he was that way.

Rivers will be a stud.

Rivers this year = 3000 yards....62% comp rate....18 TDs 8 INT's....Rating 91.5

You get the picture. In 2004 and 2005 Ben had a great QB rating but he only threw for around 2300 yards both those years.

He has not played "outstanding".

Game 1 vs. Oakland

8/11 108 1 TD 0 INT

Game 2 vs. Tennessee

25/35 235 6.7 1 TD 0 INT

Once again, this this game, LT had 71 yards, 2 TDs, Michael Turner had 102 yards

Game 3 vs. Baltimore

145 6.6 1 TD 1 INT

LT had ZERO touchdowns. So, in a game where Rivers needed to win it for SD, he fell short

Game 4 vs. Pitt

24/37 242 6.5 2 TD 1 INT

LT had a horrible game here. Phillips actually won a game for them! 1 for 2 for Philip.

Game 5 vs. SF

29/39 334 8.6 2 0

LT had 4 TD's this game. Rivers was able to pass with abandon because SF was already getting killed.

Game 6 vs. KC

25/43 266 6.2 2 1

LT had zero TD's and only 66 yards. So, once again, when it was River's job to step up and win the game, he didn't. SD Lost. Philip 1 for 3 in big games.


In everyother game after that, LT had at least 3 TD's in each game, winning for SD while Rivers just rode the wave of success.


So, this year, Rivers will barely eclipse 300 yards, has thrown ONLY 3 less INT's than Brees DESPITE Brees throwing for 100+ more attempts than Rivers, and on top of it, when Rivers has been called on to step up and win a game when LT is having a bad game, Rivers has a 33% winning rate.

Hardly "Outstanding".

In comparison, last year, just in the first 10 games, Rothlesberger was called upon to step up when the RB didn't, and Roth was 4 for 5 in those games.

Better than Rivers. You bring up only 2300 yards for Roth, yet you fail to mention that he missed 4 or 5 games last year. So, spotting 200 per game on average, and Roth has another 1000 yards, giving him around 3300.

Rivers = this year's Rothlesberger, however at least Roth stepped up when called upon, whereas Rivers has not.

 

[Broad St. Saint]

Also, I suspect Roethlisberger is a better open-field tackler.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Rivers has played "outstanding" for being a 1st year QB. Hes also thrown for alot of yards. So its not just him protecting the ball. Hes been allowed to open it up and hes suceeded.

Of course he has bad games. So does Brees and Manning. Thats not to take away from the very good year hes having. Hes going to end up with over 20 TD's and probably less then 10 INT's. He'll likely be around 3400 yards also.

Thats much more impressive then Ben's ball control offense he ran and played in. I don't think there is a comparison between the two. Thats not to say Rivers is great or anything, but I think hes physically and mentally a better QB then Ben. Ben always looks slow and confused, even the superbowl year he did. He reminds me of Bryon Leftwich to be honest.

 

[tristang]

Rivers has played "outstanding" for being a 1st year QB. Hes also thrown for alot of yards. So its not just him protecting the ball. Hes been allowed to open it up and hes suceeded.

So? Kitna's thrown for a lot of yards. Detroit's 2-10. Bulger, Favre, and guess who, ROTHLESBERGER has thrown for MORE yards than Rivers has. Rivers has been allowed to open it up after SD has the lead because of Tomlinson.

Of course he has bad games. So does Brees and Manning. Thats not to take away from the very good year hes having. Hes going to end up with over 20 TD's and probably less then 10 INT's. He'll likely be around 3400 yards also.

Um, last year, IN ONLY 12 GAMES, Roth had 17 TDs AND ONLY 9 INTS. Same as Rivers this year practally, and in 2 less games (so far). Again, spotting 200 per game, that's 800 yards Roth would have had, giving him 3100. Not that different from Rivers.

Thats much more impressive then Ben's ball control offense he ran and played in. I don't think there is a comparison between the two. Thats not to say Rivers is great or anything, but I think hes physically and mentally a better QB then Ben. Ben always looks slow and confused, even the superbowl year he did. He reminds me of Bryon Leftwich to be honest.

So, as you can see, it is NOT more impressive than Roth. In fact, as I have shown you, it's pretty equal. Further more, in those 12 games Roth had last year, he only had 268 attempts. Rivers has had 406 this year in 14 games. So, with 138 LESS attempts than Rivers, Roth has comparable numbers. Heh, Roth did more with less than Rivers did.

You're running out of excuses Bunchie.

 

[BoNcHiE]

So? Kitna's thrown for a lot of yards. Detroit's 2-10. Bulger, Favre, and guess who, ROTHLESBERGER has thrown for MORE yards than Rivers has. Rivers has been allowed to open it up after SD has the lead because of Tomlinson.



Um, last year, IN ONLY 12 GAMES, Roth had 17 TDs AND ONLY 9 INTS. Same as Rivers this year practally, and in 2 less games (so far). Again, spotting 200 per game, that's 800 yards Roth would have had, giving him 3100. Not that different from Rivers.




So, as you can see, it is NOT more impressive than Roth. In fact, as I have shown you, it's pretty equal. Further more, in those 12 games Roth had last year, he only had 268 attempts. Rivers has had 406 this year in 14 games. So, with 138 LESS attempts than Rivers, Roth has comparable numbers. Heh, Roth did more with less than Rivers did.

You're running out of excuses Bunchie.

Excuses? Excuses for what? You didn't prove anything but that you are good at skewing numbers. Your are picking certain aspects out and comparing them seperatly.

Rivers is impressive because hes thrown for alot of yards, alot of TD's, not alot of INT's, and a great completion rate, all while not fumbling the ball alot. You have to look at the whole package.

Yeah Kitna has thrown for alot of yards, but why dont you check out his TD/INT ratio.
Your second comment makes no sense. How could Ben of had 3100 yards? He didn't...I don't get your point.

BTW...you proved my point in your last paragraph. Rivers isn't playing ball control. He is attempting alot of passes, completeing them, getting yards and TD's, all while not turning the ball over. The fact that hes able to take care of the ball the way he does while throwing that much just shows how good he is.

Meanwhile when Ben has to throw alot he turns into an INT machine.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Stephen Hawking could play QB for the Chargers with what LaDainian Tomlinson does to opposing defenses.

Add Gates, and a solid offensive line, and Rivers has the easiest job in football.

 

[tristang]

Rivers is impressive because hes thrown for alot of yards, alot of TD's, not alot of INT's, and a great completion rate, all while not fumbling the ball alot. You have to look at the whole package.

Yes, exactly what Roth did last year. No different. I've already shown you that Roth's numbers last year are comparable to Rivers's numbers this year, except Rivers needed 30% more attempts to do what Roth accomplished. Roth was more efficient.

How could Ben of had 3100 yards? He didn't...I don't get your point.

BEN PLAYED ONLY 12 GAMES! Thus, to compare the two, you have to compare it through 12 games. Then, extrapolate (sorry for using words with more than 2 syllables) Roth's stats if he had played 16.



Face it. Ryan Leaf this year would be 12-2 with the San Diego Chargers. Now, understand, I think Rivers will only get better. I DO NOT think that Rivers will have a followup year like Roth had this year. I DO THINK that Rivers is a better quarterback than Rothlesberger.

But, let's be honest. Rivers this year is no different from Roth last year, or Trent Dilfer when Baltimore won it, or Brad Johnson when Tampa Bay won it. San Diego, if they do win the SB, will win it with Defense and LT. Rivers will just be an appendage.

Unfortunately, SD will not see it that way. SD will automatically assume that it's because of Rivers, when it is not.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Yes, exactly what Roth did last year. No different. I've already shown you that Roth's numbers last year are comparable to Rivers's numbers this year, except Rivers needed 30% more attempts to do what Roth accomplished. Roth was more efficient.



BEN PLAYED ONLY 12 GAMES! Thus, to compare the two, you have to compare it through 12 games. Then, extrapolate (sorry for using words with more than 2 syllables) Roth's stats if he had played 16.



Face it. Ryan Leaf this year would be 12-2 with the San Diego Chargers. Now, understand, I think Rivers will only get better. I DO NOT think that Rivers will have a followup year like Roth had this year. I DO THINK that Rivers is a better quarterback than Rothlesberger.

But, let's be honest. Rivers this year is no different from Roth last year, or Trent Dilfer when Baltimore won it, or Brad Johnson when Tampa Bay won it. San Diego, if they do win the SB, will win it with Defense and LT. Rivers will just be an appendage.

Unfortunately, SD will not see it that way. SD will automatically assume that it's because of Rivers, when it is not.

I never said his sucess isn't related to how good his team is. Your totally missing the point. Rivers is averaging 29 attempts a game. Thats alot of attempts. Yet hes still putting up great numbers. Ben averaged 22 attempts last year, and even less the year before that. Rivers is passing like a normal QB and not just playing ball control, protect the ball offense. Hes taking shots and doing well. Ben had good stats last year but he wasn't asked to throw near as much. The more you throw the more your prone to mistakes.

Not to mention your comparing Ben's second year to Rivers first year. Yeah thats fair. If you wanta say Rivers is this years Ben at least compare them by comparable variables.

 

[tristang]

I never said his sucess isn't related to how good his team is. Your totally missing the point. Rivers is averaging 29 attempts a game. Thats alot of attempts. Yet hes still putting up great numbers. Ben averaged 22 attempts last year, and even less the year before that. Rivers is passing like a normal QB and not just playing ball control, protect the ball offense. Hes taking shots and doing well. Ben had good stats last year but he wasn't asked to throw near as much. The more you throw the more your prone to mistakes.

Not to mention your comparing Ben's second year to Rivers first year. Yeah thats fair. If you wanta say Rivers is this years Ben at least compare them by comparable variables.

It's Rivers third year. Not my fault he was so far behind Drew that he didn't win the starting job. Second, are you serious? 29 attempts vs. 22? That is hardly a difference. Rivers is passing like a normal first year QB, in that he's asked not to lose a game. He's not asked to win a game like a normal QB, he's only asked not to lose it. Same as Roth. Same as Kyle Orton.

Again, I fully expect Rivers to do just as good, if not better next year, thus separating himself from Roth. However, so far, he hasn't done anything different than Roth did last year. So far, Rivers hasn't done anything this year that 20 other CURRENT starting QB's couldn't do (if not better) if they were the Chargers QB.