Robert Quinn Should Be The Priority Free Agent (1 Viewer)

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As of now our top explosive-type speed rusher is Trey Hendrickson. #94 just might be the top all around edge in the league as far as two-way play, but he needs help. Of our 51 sacks, I wonder how many came from calls that just sent our front four? I would guess not many. But when you live off of getting cute Theilen happens. But imagine if we complimented Cam with a guy that was an even better pass rusher than him? Our good defense would suddenly become great! Quinn quietly has been one of the top pass rushers of this era. And don't get me wrong, I love Davenport, Hendrickson and Granderson as prospects, but that title is sitting right there for the taking. Davenport would be the run down edge and slide inside on passing downs. A third and long front of Cam, Davenport, Rankins and Quinn would be absolutely nasty!! Robert Quinn dictates tempo, he doesn't react to it. A TONE SETTER! Put TCU's corner Jeff Gladney with Latty and a restructured JackRabbit with that four bringing pressure and it is absolute HELL for opposing offenses on third and longs. If you can win with just four you get teams off the field on third downs and DBs play a lot more confidently. If we can't land Quinn, keep an eye on Vic Beasley. I think he can be Quinn like as a rush specialist. Just keep him away from all edge setting responsibilities in the run game. Bring back Klein, get Anzalone healthy and what we have just described is not a good, but quite possibly a GREAT DEFENSE. After a few shut outs maybe Coach P might actually start calling an offense to compliment the defense. TWO DAT!!
 
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Everything described in the OP's assessment of Quinn can and should be embodied by Davenport. Nagging injuries have slowed Davenport's development, much like injuries did to Mark Ingram his first several seasons before he got truly in the groove at RB.
Quinn is a SACK MASTER!! Davenport has the ability to turn into an All Pro defensive end, but he'll never be the pass rush specialist that Quinn is. Quinn will never be the all around edge that Davenport is, but we need a DISRUPTER. Our offensive play caller has no intention of sustaining possessions so we must find a way to force more turnovers on defense.

I know this isn't the fundamentally sound way of roster building, but when you are as close as we one or two "specialty" or "lagniappe" players are usually the difference.
 

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I agree with you as it pertains to the 2019 team...they definitely should have become more of a ball control team. The 2020 team needs to improve the talent in the passing game so they can play like the team they wanted to be in 2019 with Brees at the helm - 60/40 passing team. I would even argue that a #2 CB (something the team has struggled to find since 2017- Crawley, Apple, Jack Rabbit all started at some point) is more important than a designated pass rusher based on how Allen calls games (3 man rushes 8 DB's on the field)
Agreed on the balance....I think that guy is already on our roster if we choose to extend him, though he won't be cheap, I think Jenkins is the ball hawking CB we have been looking for....

Don't care about "taking over the league" I'm just trying to best utilize our personnel.
Exactly, I think our offensive line may be the best (and most underutilized) run-blocking oline in the NFL....we need to play to our strengths better....
 

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Quinn is a SACK MASTER!! Davenport has the ability to turn into an All Pro defensive end, but he'll never be the pass rush specialist that Quinn is. Quinn will never be the all around edge that Davenport is, but we need a DISRUPTER. Our offensive play caller has no intention of sustaining possessions so we must find a way to force more turnovers on defense.

I know this isn't the fundamentally sound way of roster building, but when you are as close as we one or two "specialty" or "lagniappe" players are usually the difference.
Agreed on the disruption angle. That big a contract might disrupt the salary cap, though. We shall stay tuned, as always.
 
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I agree with you as it pertains to the 2019 team...they definitely should have become more of a ball control team. The 2020 team needs to improve the talent in the passing game so they can play like the team they wanted to be in 2019 with Brees at the helm - 60/40 passing team. I would even argue that a #2 CB (something the team has struggled to find since 2017- Crawley, Apple, Jack Rabbit all started at some point) is more important than a designated pass rusher based on how Allen calls games (3 man rushes 8 DB's on the field)
Ramchyk, McCoy, Warford, Peat and Armstead are all run blockers at heart. Our top two skill position players besides Thomas are Kamara and Murray. We have the top special teams unit in the league if Taysom remains in that capacity. I think our defense improves at least five spots in the ranking if we take air out of the ball. The overall core group is ROCK SOLID and seems to favor a more ball controlled style.

This group needs only one explosive play-maker on both sides of the ball.
 
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why is the dude looking for a 4th team in 4 years?

and it seems like we would be looking for something we already have, a highly talented but oft injured rusher.

my personal feeling is that the sky is still the limit for Dav.
Timing is the key. Davenport is the future, Quinn the present. Quinn represents the part of Davenport game that hasn't quite gotten there yet: THE EXPLOSIVE EDGE RUSH. Normally, I'd patiently wait for the development of our prized possession, but not when we've knocked on the door four 3 years straight.

And to answer your question on why Quinn has moved, I think he's been misused a lot. Teams have forced him to try to be an edge setter in the run game and that has beaten him up. I think our depth allows us to feature him as a rush specialist almost exclusively. Offer him an incentive-based deal that rewards him for sack production and explain to him the benefits of getting low base pay to match the low run defense snaps. If he doesn't take one of those types of deals, I bet Vic Beasley will.

We gotta go take it.
 

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Timing is the key. Davenport is the future, Quinn the present. Quinn represents the part of Davenport game that hasn't quite gotten there yet: THE EXPLOSIVE EDGE RUSH. Normally, I'd patiently wait for the development of our prized possession, but not when we've knocked on the door four 3 years straight.

And to answer your question on why Quinn has moved, I think he's been misused a lot. Teams have forced him to try to be an edge setter in the run game and that has beaten him up. I think our depth allows us to feature him as a rush specialist almost exclusively. Offer him an incentive-based deal that rewards him for sack production and explain to him the benefits of getting low base pay to match the low run defense snaps. If he doesn't take one of those types of deals, I bet Vic Beasley will.

We gotta go take it.
well I see your point and agree that more depth would be wonderful. Davenport is going into year 3 though and has already showed flashes and that was while being hobbled by rather critical injuries. If he has healed completely (and I think that is a major if) he could finally hit on the type of player that you really hesitate to take off the field. So I would love to see us grab a FA there, I don't think we should tie up major money in doing so.
 
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I tried. Continuousstreamofconsciousnesspostishardtofollow...
I'll double space for you next time and get it proofread.

The fact remains, we shouldn't go to war depending on Davenport and Hendrickson.

And i'll leave you with one last stream of consciousness: I'll take the Quinn and Eli Apple combo on 3rd and long over Davenport and any corner in the draft not named Okudah.
 
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well I see your point and agree that more depth would be wonderful. Davenport is going into year 3 though and has already showed flashes and that was while being hobbled by rather critical injuries. If he has healed completely (and I think that is a major if) he could finally hit on the type of player that you really hesitate to take off the field. So I would love to see us grab a FA there, I don't think we should tie up major money in doing so.
We don't need much. We just don't get a lot of penetration on defense. The bend but don't break approach has gotten us some great seasons recently, but it just hasn't been enough to get us over the top. Vic Beasley might be an even better option than Quinn as a pure rush specialist.
 
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Our top priority should not be at a position where we have a freaking All-Pro and an very good youngster who has unlimited potential.

We are not good enough to have the luxury of upgrading one of our strongest positions.
That "P" word gets coaches fired quicker than slapping your boss. We're too close to the title to go to war dependent on Davenport again.

I could be wrong, but I don't think this is a Super Bowl defense as currently constructed. We played with our tails tucked in that Wildcard game because we coached not to lose.
 

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Offer him an incentive-based deal that rewards him for sack production and explain to him the benefits of getting low base pay to match the low run defense snaps.
Ahhh, right, that old unicorn. Good thing players are happy to have things 'explained' to them and don't just listen to their agents.

I wish this thread a good day, I'm out.
 

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Yea but problem is Quinn is on his last payday coming off an 11 Sack season 31 and will command a 4-5 year deal north of 13 million a year if your gonna pay that type of money may as well go get Clowney on a 15 mil a year deal and stop the games

I’d much rather Anasah or Obagah on 1-2 year prove it deals worth 4-6 million a year and just hope Davenport breaks out to give us a nasty 3 man combo.Use the other half on getting a DT

idk what it is But to me Seattle D this year wasn’t Pashtun friendlyI think Anasah and Clowney are better than the numbers states

we still have to address DT Brown was ok , Rankins we don’t know when he’ll be ready anddon’t want to rush him back again. Omenyeta a FA , Edwards is avg
 

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